Religion with clue

Hello,
For many years I would have call myself seekers but last months i really intensified my search and to be honest I came to sad conclusions;
looking at the perfectness of the world(which is I believe, after my research, designed) I do believe that there is creator which bring me to question if he manifest himself to the humanity. And my research brought me to the point that i think I am deist. No religion could provide me a proof/touch of deity. All religions(even though some are beautiful) are very "human". None of the religion could bring us any confirmation better than just good rhetoric(of which human is capable of) There are so mamy ways that creator could give us confirmation(I'll give some possible examples at the end) and yet he did not in none of the religions. Am i wrong? Is there any religion that provide any signs? If there is no such religion there is no any basis of which we could even claim that any of the prophets were telling the true.
To give us guidance all-knowing God could simply predict precisely some future event in any of the scripture, give us some scientific fact that was not known at the time if revelation. Reveal same message to two tribes of people that couldn't contact each other or simply show us some miracle that every human can experience.

There are some miraculous, beautiful things in nature that we cannot explain(one the example i like is that after every war there are more boys born than girls) but it doesn't confirm any of the religion. It just confirms that there might be creator. So is there any religion that gives any clue to the believers? If there's no I am afraid the true is that none of the religions we know is real.

I think I found that clue you were looking for

mckenna36 said:

Hello,
For many years I would have call myself seekers but last months i really intensified my search and to be honest I came to sad conclusions;
looking at the perfectness of the world(which is I believe, after my research, designed) I do believe that there is creator which bring me to question if he manifest himself to the humanity. And my research brought me to the point that i think I am deist. No religion could provide me a proof/touch of deity. All religions(even though some are beautiful) are very "human". None of the religion could bring us any confirmation better than just good rhetoric(of which human is capable of) There are so mamy ways that creator could give us confirmation(I'll give some possible examples at the end) and yet he did not in none of the religions. Am i wrong? Is there any religion that provide any signs? If there is no such religion there is no any basis of which we could even claim that any of the prophets were telling the true.
To give us guidance all-knowing God could simply predict precisely some future event in any of the scripture, give us some scientific fact that was not known at the time if revelation. Reveal same message to two tribes of people that couldn't contact each other or simply show us some miracle that every human can experience.

There are some miraculous, beautiful things in nature that we cannot explain(one the example i like is that after every war there are more boys born than girls) but it doesn't confirm any of the religion. It just confirms that there might be creator. So is there any religion that gives any clue to the believers? If there's no I am afraid the true is that none of the religions we know is real.

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For these reasons, and more I will never again walk a path of rigid dogma.
I think that it is good to be guided by reason.

Tumah said:

I think I found that clue you were looking for

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You and I were of similar minds when reading the title of this post. haha

I think that as mankind's thinking advances we need to look inside to find God, not some separate being. God is in our hearts and consciousness. The goal of human life then becomes Self-Realization/God-Realization and not worship.

The teachers I have come to respect most as having delved into the nature of reality deepest are the non-dual (God and creation are not-two) sages/saints of eastern/Indian thought. I think many of the new age religious thinking is inspired by this non-dualist view. In non-dualism there is nothing separate to find or believe in.

mckenna36 said:

Hello,
For many years I would have call myself seekers but last months i really intensified my search and to be honest I came to sad conclusions;
looking at the perfectness of the world(which is I believe, after my research, designed) I do believe that there is creator which bring me to question if he manifest himself to the humanity. And my research brought me to the point that i think I am deist. No religion could provide me a proof/touch of deity. All religions(even though some are beautiful) are very "human". None of the religion could bring us any confirmation better than just good rhetoric(of which human is capable of) There are so mamy ways that creator could give us confirmation(I'll give some possible examples at the end) and yet he did not in none of the religions. Am i wrong? Is there any religion that provide any signs? If there is no such religion there is no any basis of which we could even claim that any of the prophets were telling the true.
To give us guidance all-knowing God could simply predict precisely some future event in any of the scripture, give us some scientific fact that was not known at the time if revelation. Reveal same message to two tribes of people that couldn't contact each other or simply show us some miracle that every human can experience.

There are some miraculous, beautiful things in nature that we cannot explain(one the example i like is that after every war there are more boys born than girls) but it doesn't confirm any of the religion. It just confirms that there might be creator. So is there any religion that gives any clue to the believers? If there's no I am afraid the true is that none of the religions we know is real.

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The problem with the religions, is they make themselves popular by appealing to the desires of the people. They tell people what the people want to hear. I believe that God is trying to communicate vital information to us, but that information is not what the people want to hear. So God had to package the information.

It is sort of like a virus. I virus is also information, and usually a virus will come packaged in a protective protein shell. The same basic concept was needed to protect God's message to us. In order to get the message to us, it needed to be packaged in a form that would spread the message, so that we would pass the message on from generation to generation.

As for proof, I have found such proof, but it is like proving the World is round. People just don't listen to it. Even so, the proof does not show that any religions are true. They are all false. The prophets are real, the religions are all false. The prophets give us the message, while the religions are just the package that passes it on from generation to generation.

To get to the message, you have to open and discard the packaging. If someone wraps a christmas present in newspaper, you don't sit and read the packaging, you tear it off and throw it away.

In my signature is a video which shows that both Jesus and Moses gave us the formula for World Peace. This is just another piece of proof that I've found. Jesus also described nuclear war in pretty accurate detail, considering that the word nuclear was not available at the time. So instead he said "stars falling from the sky", because a star is a nuclear fusion fireball, which is also what an atomic explosion is. He goes on to say people hiding in caves and under rocks, 'cause the language didn't have words for fallout shelters. He continues that the sky is rolled away like a script, and the sun darkened and the moon not giving light.

This is all stuff that the people of the time had no way of knowing about. Even the concept of a meteor did not exist until about 200 years ago.

God did not give us that information without giving us a solution to prevent it, or at least to save as many as we can.

The technology already exists to solve pretty much all of the major problems of mankind. What is left is to implement that technology. Our current system of society prevents implementation. God has given us the solution, which is a new system of society that will stimulate implementation, as well as research and development of new solutions.

The reason people don't want to hear this, is because it requires changing their way of life. People want a religion that does not affect their life, they want to pretend to believe for an hour or so and then go back to doing whatever they want to do. They do not want to have solving the problems of the poor be their problem, they want to separate themselves from it.

The truth, however, is that we are all connected. We are all one people. When any one of us is hurting, it hurts us all. When anyone of us is held back or enslaved, we are all held back or enslaved.

We all need that connection, and the only way to truly get that connection is to accept that connection and all that it entails. We must accept that responsibility for the poor, and start working to end poverty and bring about World Peace.

See, ending poverty and bring about World Peace, are literally the same goal. You can't do one without the other. World Peace requires balancing the power, so that all people have fairly equal power, which is exactly the same thing as ending poverty.

This does not mean that we have to give away everything to the poor. That is not helping them. We need to find solutions to the problem, not just throw money at it.

Tony

Dear Meckenna,
The evidences that prove the existence of God are there.They are available in a holy book which is the word of God.This holy book Contains many scientific statements in embryology it's how the baby is formed .it's described in details in this holy book. Keith Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy . His book is used all over london and its still used today .He says the statements in this holy book about embryology must be from God .Also this holy book contains a description of how the universe started with the big bang which is now accepted by the majority of physicists and it was discovered very recently. Also, it described how the mountains are constructed ,how the formation of clouds happens and the water cycle works .In addition , it says that the universe is expanding and it describes many of other things.Even though this holy book is 1400 years old . Moreover, this holy book is not changing.God protected it.People from all over the world recite and memorize it.If you seek the truth friend, just read the Quran .I am quite sure that you will find the answers for your questions.Just search for the real Islam not in the media, believe me, there will be no regret.

mckenna36 said:

Hello,
For many years I would have call myself seekers but last months i really intensified my search and to be honest I came to sad conclusions;
looking at the perfectness of the world(which is I believe, after my research, designed) I do believe that there is creator which bring me to question if he manifest himself to the humanity. And my research brought me to the point that i think I am deist. No religion could provide me a proof/touch of deity. All religions(even though some are beautiful) are very "human". None of the religion could bring us any confirmation better than just good rhetoric(of which human is capable of) There are so mamy ways that creator could give us confirmation(I'll give some possible examples at the end) and yet he did not in none of the religions. Am i wrong? Is there any religion that provide any signs? If there is no such religion there is no any basis of which we could even claim that any of the prophets were telling the true.
To give us guidance all-knowing God could simply predict precisely some future event in any of the scripture, give us some scientific fact that was not known at the time if revelation. Reveal same message to two tribes of people that couldn't contact each other or simply show us some miracle that every human can experience.

There are some miraculous, beautiful things in nature that we cannot explain(one the example i like is that after every war there are more boys born than girls) but it doesn't confirm any of the religion. It just confirms that there might be creator. So is there any religion that gives any clue to the believers? If there's no I am afraid the true is that none of the religions we know is real.

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Hi Mckenna36,

Christianity can provide you a touch of deity through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. What you said is right, there is really a creator of this universe, and that is God Himself, the Almighty.

Jesus said this:
John 14:6
6. Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 8:31
31. Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32. "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.''

Jesus is real, alive and kept His promise since 2,000 years ago.

Thanks

mckenna36 said:

Hello,
For many years I would have call myself seekers but last months i really intensified my search and to be honest I came to sad conclusions;
looking at the perfectness of the world(which is I believe, after my research, designed) I do believe that there is creator which bring me to question if he manifest himself to the humanity. And my research brought me to the point that i think I am deist. No religion could provide me a proof/touch of deity. All religions(even though some are beautiful) are very "human". None of the religion could bring us any confirmation better than just good rhetoric(of which human is capable of) There are so mamy ways that creator could give us confirmation(I'll give some possible examples at the end) and yet he did not in none of the religions. Am i wrong? Is there any religion that provide any signs? If there is no such religion there is no any basis of which we could even claim that any of the prophets were telling the true.
To give us guidance all-knowing God could simply predict precisely some future event in any of the scripture, give us some scientific fact that was not known at the time if revelation. Reveal same message to two tribes of people that couldn't contact each other or simply show us some miracle that every human can experience.

There are some miraculous, beautiful things in nature that we cannot explain(one the example i like is that after every war there are more boys born than girls) but it doesn't confirm any of the religion. It just confirms that there might be creator. So is there any religion that gives any clue to the believers? If there's no I am afraid the true is that none of the religions we know is real.

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Hi there, as my name suggests I believe there are clues yes. In fact I've been amazed recently by some of the clues I've uncovered. I liken it to buying a car that you've never seen before. As soon as you've bought it you suddenly see that car everywhere and wonder how it is that you never noticed it before.

I highly recommend reading the Bible from cover to cover. It's admittedly hard to do but I think it is so worth it. With youtube now you can listen to the whole thing quite quickly. That's how I was first exposed to it. By myself with no one over my shoulder interpreting it for me, just listening to it on my walkman. I was quite a sceptic of the Bible at first coz of what I had heard others say about it. But I quickly became a believer. Mostly because it told me that I could have a relationship with my Creator, something that I had always longed for but didn't know was possible in this life. I had grown up believing that God was up there and I was down here, and if I wanted to get up there I had to be good. I had no idea that God was so intimately involved in our daily lives down here and wanted to be intimately involved. So the book testified that it was possible over and over, encouraged me to set out to have a relationship with my Creator. I've stumbled many times along the way but what this has taught me is that while we may give up on our journey to seeking God, He never gives up on seeking us.

He wants us to know Him personally and intimately. Like a father to a child. The question is do we want Him? Here's a couple of verses if you do:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Jeremiah 29:11-13 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

JesusBeliever said:

Hi there, as my name suggests I believe there are clues yes. In fact I've been amazed recently by some of the clues I've uncovered. I liken it to buying a car that you've never seen before. As soon as you've bought it you suddenly see that car everywhere and wonder how it is that you never noticed it before.

I highly recommend reading the Bible from cover to cover. It's admittedly hard to do but I think it is so worth it. With youtube now you can listen to the whole thing quite quickly. That's how I was first exposed to it. By myself with no one over my shoulder interpreting it for me, just listening to it on my walkman. I was quite a sceptic of the Bible at first coz of what I had heard others say about it. But I quickly became a believer. Mostly because it told me that I could have a relationship with my Creator, something that I had always longed for but didn't know was possible in this life. I had grown up believing that God was up there and I was down here, and if I wanted to get up there I had to be good. I had no idea that God was so intimately involved in our daily lives down here and wanted to be intimately involved. So the book testified that it was possible over and over, encouraged me to set out to have a relationship with my Creator. I've stumbled many times along the way but what this has taught me is that while we may give up on our journey to seeking God, He never gives up on seeking us.

He wants us to know Him personally and intimately. Like a father to a child. The question is do we want Him? Here's a couple of verses if you do:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Jeremiah 29:11-13 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

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This O/P has not been seen around here in over 1 year.

Unless he/she left the email feature in tact he did not get your reply.

Even so, the problem with your suggestion is that if you read the Bible cover to cover, you will not get the originally intended meaning.

So what you really need to do is read the Tenakh in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek.

There is a huge difference between the various English versions compared with the original Hebrew or Greek.

Here are 3 websites that can help you with this:

Hebrew:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

Greek:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

Most literal English version:

http://biblehub.com/ylt/matthew/1.htm

yiostheoy said:

This O/P has not been seen around here in over 1 year.

Unless he/she left the email feature in tact he did not get your reply.

Even so, the problem with your suggestion is that if you read the Bible cover to cover, you will not get the originally intended meaning.

So what you really need to do is read the Tenakh in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek.

There is a huge difference between the various English versions compared with the original Hebrew or Greek.

Here are 3 websites that can help you with this:

Hebrew:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

Greek:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

Most literal English version:

http://biblehub.com/ylt/matthew/1.htm

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Hi there, thanks for the heads up on the OP.
I've been away for about a year as well so it's very possible they'll come back too.
And yes I've heard this claim before, regarding the unreliability of English versions but it's simply not the case.
The verse I quoted from Jeremiah pretty much sums up the book.
If we want to know our Creator we can, if we seek Him with our whole heart and don't give up til we find Him.
He promises to reveal Himself to us if we ask Him.
But the thing we need to remember is He knows our heart, we are naked before Him the Scriptures say.
He knows when we have ulterior motives for approaching Him.
He knows and sees the souls that are seeking Him and He helps them to find Him.
The Bible makes the journey easier, if finding Him is our goal.
It's true that we all lose our way from time to time, even after we've found Him.
But I have found that He is always waiting when I turn my focus back to Him.
I am confident that this is the message in every version of the Bible, whether Hebrew, Greek, English or other.
The heart of the message is the same.
Seek Him and you shall find Him, knock and the door will be opened, ask Him to give you His Holy Spirit and you will receive it. For everyone that asks receives He promises.
I wasn't sure if it was possible when I set out on my journey to find Him, but I was so desperate to find Him that no one was able to stand in my way, despite their many efforts. And that's my encouragement to everyone, don't let anyone stand in your way if finding your Creator is your goal. Don't let anyone tell you that you lack anything that prevents you from knowing Him directly. There's a verse written in both the Old and New Testament that says:

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:34 & Hebrews 8:11-12

This was the promise of the New Covenant (aka Testament), that He promised in both the Old and New Testament.
The simple message is that we can know our Creator personally and intimately.
This was His intention and desire from the beginning.

Kind Regards