When are the aliens coming?

robocop (actually) · Jun 29, 2015

OK. Rael was quoted as saing the "aliens" won't return until between 2025 and 2035. There will be room to join on Dec 13, 2024 and many earlier days. Everyone should have time to join who isn't born after Dec. 14, 2006 and some of them too. It wouldn't be so cult-like but I suspect it will always be serious. Good luck! In the mean time you can always read Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers. It is the base for what we do and will answer all your philosophical questions about when the E.T.s will come.

Kilgore Trout · Jun 29, 2015

As a fellow, Earth-human I command other Earth-humans to ignore fictional tales such as that of aliens coming to Earth and hiding among the Earth-human population in order to scout for an impending invasion fleet. Please go about your daily lives and remove all worries of becoming enslaved by a superior, alien race. Such thoughts are laughable. HA HA HA. Let all of us Earth-humans laugh at them. HA HA HA.

Kirran · Jun 29, 2015

Well there's no reason for outright mockery.

Kilgore Trout · Jun 29, 2015

Kirran said:
Well there's no reason for outright mockery.

Impossible. Pheromone signals produced by us Earth-humans who share our common, Earth-based genetic structure, prevent me from mocking my fellow Earth-humans. Do not all Earth-humans learn this before their first molting?

robocop (actually) · Jun 29, 2015

There is plenty of room to decide whether you believe aliens will come (2025-2035). Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers is the whole terms of service for the Raelians. Many parts of it have never been discussed to my knowledge. You can make your own decision and your own fate, but I would advise against dismissing it prepamaturely. I hope to take some of the time I have to decide seriously.

The Sum of Awe · Jul 5, 2015

There is no life in this solar system aside on earth, meaning aliens would be coming from galaxies far away. It'll take a whle

Kirran · Jul 6, 2015

The Sum of Awe said:
There is no life in this solar system aside on earth, meaning aliens would be coming from galaxies far away. It'll take a whle

There are other star systems in this galaxy.

The Sum of Awe · Jul 6, 2015

Kirran said:
There are other star systems in this galaxy.

Very far away though, it'd take a very long time to get here

robocop (actually) · Jul 9, 2015

Without getting into all the complexity, I'd like to talk about whether aliens could come to earth with the current technology we have on our planet.
FIrst, don't go near the speed of light, go like half the speed of light. The mass, length, and "time" dilation is much better.
Second, if you could have a thumbnail sized storage device of genetic code and preserve enough molecules for a machine to bring them to life you would be prepared.
Of course, if you were to meet a civilization on the new planet, that complicates things.
Third, we already have enough fuel. They made an engine that runs on solar power just from stars.

Well, without getting into all the way parts of things can get controlled, hopefully that puts a splash of cool-looking paint on it.

robocop (actually) · Jul 27, 2015

robocop (actually) said:
FIrst, don't go near the speed of light, go like half the speed of light. The mass, length, and "time" dilation is much better.

For those of you who have trouble fathoming distances or thinking planets are too far, I hope this helps:

List of nearest terrestrial exoplanet candidates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem for me is, between us now and us doing it, can we survive from here to there, and likewise could they survive from being like us to doing it if they are coming.

Kirran · Jul 28, 2015

Let's not forget that very soon in its development a spacefaring civilisation will switch to an offplanet majority population.

jonathan180iq · Jul 28, 2015

I'm gonna play just because this is an interest of mine.

robocop (actually) said:
Without getting into all the complexity, I'd like to talk about whether aliens could come to earth with the current technology we have on our planet.

Nope.

robocop (actually) said:
FIrst, don't go near the speed of light, go like half the speed of light. The mass, length, and "time" dilation is much better.

How would we do that, using current technology?
Our fastest spacecraft ever was launched 10 years ago and it managed a meager 40,000 miles per hour.

robocop (actually) said:
Second, if you could have a thumbnail sized storage device of genetic code and preserve enough molecules for a machine to bring them to life you would be prepared.

How would that be possible, using current technology?

robocop (actually) said:
Third, we already have enough fuel. They made an engine that runs on solar power just from stars.

We do not have enough fuel - Solar sails and ion propulsion are incredibly efficient and incredibly slow... which negates number 1.

Kirran · Jul 28, 2015

Spacecraft have no 'top speed'. They just have a top acceleration they can achieve.

jonathan180iq · Jul 28, 2015

Kirran said:
Spacecraft have no 'top speed'. They just have a top acceleration they can achieve.

Which is limited by fuel... Since fuel is limited - so is speed.

How long would it take to get to Alpha Centauri @ 40,000 mph?
645,000,000 hours
645,000,000/24 = 26,875,000 days
That's roughly 74,000 years... And that's the closest star system. That's also assuming that we don't lose any speed along the way, which is unrealistic.

Kirran · Jul 28, 2015

jonathan180iq said:
Which is limited by fuel... Since fuel is limited - so is speed.

How long would it take to get to Alpha Centauri @ 40,000 mph?
645,000,000 hours
645,000,000/24 = 26,875,000 days
That's roughly 74,000 years... And that's the closest star system. That's also assuming that we don't lose any speed along the way, which is unrealistic.

Acceleration is limited by fuel and by efficiency and system and so on. But with solar sails, while currently technology has very low acceleration, there's no limit to fuel, so it just keeps accelerating.

Very little speed is lost in a vacuum. Friction isn't much of a thing in space.

leibowde84 · Jul 28, 2015

Guy Threepwood said:
My money would be on us being alone, it's looking pretty quiet out there..

Let's see. Keplar says that there is roughly 40 Billion "earth-like planets" in our galaxy alone. Then multiply that by 100 Billion galaxies in the known universe. You get 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 earth like planets in the known universe.

Now, think about distance. It took us 10 years to get to Pluto in an unmanned spacecraft. The nearest galaxy is roughly 4.24 light years away. The fastest a manned shuttle has been able to travel is roughly 84,500 mph (17,500 mph in relation to earth). The speed of light is roughly 669,600,000 mph. So, currently, we can go roughly .01% of the speed of light. Now, to the best of our knowledge, it is not possible to go faster than the speed of light.

With this information in mind, why do you feel that the "emptiness" you describe should lead us to believe that aliens don't exist. Chances are that there is life all over the galaxy, but we will never be able to come into contact with it.

leibowde84 · Jul 28, 2015

Kirran said:
Acceleration is limited by fuel and by efficiency and system and so on. But with solar sails, while currently technology has very low acceleration, there's no limit to fuel, so it just keeps accelerating.

Very little speed is lost in a vacuum. Friction isn't much of a thing in space.

That is, until you get close to the speed of light.

jonathan180iq · Jul 28, 2015

Kirran said:
Acceleration is limited by fuel and by efficiency and system and so on. But with solar sails, while currently technology has very low acceleration, there's no limit to fuel, so it just keeps accelerating.

Very little speed is lost in a vacuum. Friction isn't much of a thing in space.

Current solar sail technology has only existed for a couple of weeks and it couldn't even deploy all the way, let alone move like the theory suggests it can...

I'm a member of the Planetary Society which put that thing into space, but I'm not deluding myself on what it can and cannot do.
I mean, we are talking about traveling to distant star-systems using current technology, aren't we?
If so, there is nothing faster than rockets. And those are limited by fuel. We have nothing else anywhere close to allowing for distant travel. Our very best ideas have yet to leave the thought experiment stage. That's a big hindrance to all of the dreams Sci-Fi fans all around the world.

Let's focus on getting humans to Mars. Then we can worry about Saturn's moons. Then we can worry about extra-solar planets.

Kirran · Jul 29, 2015

We're pretty damn sure that solar sails are gonna work mad well when we sort them out. Current technology's what it is, we have a lot of ideas which will revolutionise things once the funding and impetus gets going, which I believe it will. I also think we will colonise space in time, and that it won't be hugely far away. Furthermore I don't see it as being a thousand years until those living on planets/moons are a minority.

robocop (actually) · Jul 31, 2015

robocop (actually) said:
Without getting into all the complexity, I'd like to talk about whether aliens could come to earth with the current technology we have on our planet.
FIrst, don't go near the speed of light, go like half the speed of light. The mass, length, and "time" dilation is much better.
Second, if you could have a thumbnail sized storage device of genetic code and preserve enough molecules for a machine to bring them to life you would be prepared.
Of course, if you were to meet a civilization on the new planet, that complicates things.
Third, we already have enough fuel. They made an engine that runs on solar power just from stars.

Well, without getting into all the way parts of things can get controlled, hopefully that puts a splash of cool-looking paint on it.

Let me correct an error before I leave. A human could theoretically reach light speed in 128 years accelerating as fast as it could stand, and I was saying it would be better to go at half light speed. However, yes, it takes like 50,000 years on current technology. That's why I said to have a machine ready to revive life on the new planet. The engine I was referring to is called EM-endless fuel if it really works. R.I.P. robocop I hope.

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