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All magic users of different faiths

Theweirdtophat

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What faith or lack thereof do you practice and what kind of magic do you use? Does it meld well with the faith that you practice? How so? Did you first practice your faith and then learned magic, or vice versa? Do you feel closer to the spirits or deities when you practice magic?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
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For the purposes of this discussion, how are we to regard magic? What sorts of things are we to include under its header? Navigating this discussion topic is challenging for me, and made more challenging without such guide posts. I've tended to avoid using the word "magic" entirely for quite some time given its ambiguous meanings, though I recognize the rest of the community isn't exactly going to alter their vocabulary all of a sudden just because I happened to. :D
 

Theweirdtophat

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Anything that causes change through physical and spiritual means. I know there's many definitions of it but it comes down to energy work.

Rituals, energy work, spells incantations, enchantments, ect. I ask because I know many pagans practice or have an interest in magic, but there are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists that practice it. I don't think I've ever seen a Zoroastrian, Sikh, Baha'i or Rastafari magic user before though and was wondering if there were any out there or what kind of spells you practice. I practice healing and plant magic as well as defensive magic.


I'm actually doing a study of this and researching how many certain adherents of a certain religion practice magic or energy work.
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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That's a bit broader than I was thinking... thanks for clarifying! I'll mull it over a bit and see if something coherent comes out of my brain.

There is some academic literature on the subject you might find interesting. Back in undergrad when I realized that this was all a thing, I spent some time at the university library getting an understanding of the anthropological perspective on magic. Early on in anthropological research, there was a desire to put a wedge between magic and religion, largely due to ethnocentric biases, and that trend has reduced over time as researchers have learned to be more impartial and objective in studying different cultures. A central theme I got out of looking at many of these works, though, is the tremendous difficulty in defining what magic is. The take O'Keefe had in "Stolen Lightning: A Social Theory of Magic" was one of the more fascinating ones, but like many anthropological studies, it doesn't take into account the modern occult revival or the prevalence of magic in the New Age and Neopagan communities. For that, Susan Greenwood's works (i.e., "Magic, Witchcraft, & the Otherworld", "The Nature of Magic", and "Anthropology of Magic") are excellent to take a gander at and I'd highly recommend them. There are doubtless dozens of works on this that I haven't read or even heard of. Sometimes one must get creative with search terms, as things we might regard as "magic" won't be described as such by academics.
 

Mindmaster

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That's a bit broader than I was thinking... thanks for clarifying! I'll mull it over a bit and see if something coherent comes out of my brain.

Magic mostly means using a process to gain control of supernatural forces. Now, that being said supernatural really just means outside the realm of observable science. This doesn't imply magic is not provable, but rather it requires a statistical proof like psychology uses. Thus, there are many ways to go about it in the end and many different techniques can afford results. It must however ultimately be divorced from belief in a particular religious paradigm because it is present in many of them and not one of them. I shall present magic is a toolbox devoid of these aesthetic trappings and not dependent of them, but may incorporate them for aesthetically pleasing reasons provided it is understood that they are not required.

The primary consideration of whether an act is a magical act vs a normal mundane act is a state of gnosis or trance-like absorption in a task. Thus, doing candle magic without a trance or praying without a trance isn't magic. You can reach this through clearing the mind (inhibitory/meditation) , exciting it (dance, chanting, gestures), or a combination (rituals, etc.) There are lots of books written on the subject and few of them actually bother to note this distinction -- thus calling into the question the authors motives; are they there to sell books, or help people successfully perform magic?

Most of what the neo-pagan community is doing has completely nothing to do with magic and is more like hoping and wishing, so I rarely give credit to that side of the room. I give popular magical orders similar bad marks in propagating jargon and worthless symbolism instead of working within the natural language of the beginner. Anyone that calls themselves a master and can't explain why qabalah and correspondences are useless is worse than a beginner -- they're just outright duped. Never suffer a fool...
 

Theweirdtophat

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I never thought magic was supernatural. I find magic to be natural as anything else. Nothing really anything that makes it super. It's energy to work with. Some magic users today spout magic that doesn't really do much but some have knowledge. Magic is about working with the forces around you. Making connections with the energy and making contact with it.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
As for my own path, I'm a UU and New Ager with a heavy interest in Chaos Magick. I would say that the three fit together in a way that's very broad and coherent for me. I was a practitioner of my faiths and then, "discovered" Chaos. Right now, I am exploring the different magickal models, trying to discern which one works for me.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
What faith or lack thereof do you practice and what kind of magic do you use? Does it meld well with the faith that you practice? How so?

I'm not sure what to say here, as the faith and practice are identical.

Did you first practice your faith and then learned magic, or vice versa?

I came to the magic aspect of occultism first and years of study led to the formation of a faith.

Do you feel closer to the spirits or deities when you practice magic?

In whatever sense they exist, yes.
 
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