Should Israel be annihilated?

Flankerl · Apr 16, 2015

Godobeyer said:
Most of Jews whom was living in Muslim world , they imigrate to Israel , when the Jews declared from one side ,the state and war started between Jews and Muslims .

Yeah uhm no.
That's not really what happened but we've been over this.

Godobeyer said:
for my opinion Israel suppose to be the best and first country fighting racism . because Jews suffered from racism (Nazi) .

Ridiculous as everyone can suffer from racism. Just ask someone non-white in a majority white country.
Oh and Muslims suffer from racism in non-Muslim countries, by your logic Muslim countries need to be the best and first countries fighting racism...

Godobeyer said:
the point is Israel was supported aparthied in South Africa !!!

So what? It's not like the IDF flew to South Africa to shoot black South Africans.
Countries sometimes cooperate with each other. You know like Algeria with the Peoples Republic of China, a country far worse than South Africa under Apartheid ever was but ssshh don't tell anyone.

Godobeyer said:
ok , i get it .

No probably not.

Godobeyer said:
I explained by bold , that's enough .

How nice of you.

Godobeyer said:
there was peace , and Israel break the deal by back occupating WB .

Israeli regime had no word "deal".

so the abuse removed when peace treaty !!!!

Care to link your peace treaty?

Meanwhile in the real world Israel conquered the West Bank from Jordan in 1967 and defended it in 1973 after which Jordan revoked its claim on the West Bank making it stateless.

Godobeyer · Apr 18, 2015

Tumah said:
Its not the same at all. In the US or SA, the government wasn't doing it to protect its citizens, it was doing it because it out of hatred for the other people. But that's not what's happening in Israel. People don't hate the Muslims. They're AFRAID of the Muslims. Just last night an Israeli Arab (not PA or GS) struck a pedestrian at a bus stop and killed him. This is the problem. When they will stop killing the government won't have to protect its citizens anymore and then they can start integrating like the Christians and Druze.

I disagree there are some people (Jews) hate the Muslims citizens , and of course most of Jews (affraid) .
and i bet the same feeling is virse-a-verse

see how much Israeli goverment love his second degree citizens(Arabs) recenty demolishing many of it's Arab citizens homes ? so Arabs make general strike

it's illegale to build home in your land in Israel . so it's very easy to demolishing Arab homes in Israel !!!!

check the link
Israeli Arabs call for general strike over home demolition
Israeli Arabs call for general strike over home demolition policy | i24news - See beyond

the big question is :
I agree that Israeli (Jews )people and regime made good deeds to "allow" to some Muslims to live in Israel , so i suppose stop criticing Israel regime for it's bad deeds against Arabs ?

I don't understand what you are saying. When WB and GS bombs Israel, Israel bombs WB and GS. What else should they do?

I said Israel occupating and humilation the Muslims in WB . and bombing in wars with Hamas the civilains in Gaza (by accident) .

I don't understand the second sentence here. You are saying Israel is over-exaggerating the bombing of civilians?

No, it's not what I meant , i mean IF Hamas was among the Jews in Tel Aviv , Israeli army would not random bombing Hamas , because Israeli army will affraid to its civilians casautly

So you are saying, that you know that Hamas is purposely putting its civilians in the way of Israeli gunfire, because Israel would anyway kill Gazan civilians? Does that make sense to you?

I mean Hamas knew well that Israeli army don't hesitate to kill Gazan civilians , so they(Hamas) gave Israeli army that chance "reason" to kill more civilians .

Of course not. Israel is trying to protect its people. The questions, why isn't Hamas? I don't understand what your point is.

the strategy of i protect my civilians by killing your civilians is cheap army way .

Clearly your people are very neutral!

you seems jump to another subject ?
you was talking all time about govermant (tell my govermant) .
My goverment is neutral in intern issues of Hamas or PA .

When?

in past !!!

you really shock me by this question !!!! Israeli regime peace deals with Palestinians , but each new Israeli goverment reject what previous govermant deals about , the strategy of peace process of Israeli regime with Palestinians is "so let re-deal what we already deal about"

This Week in History: Wye River land-for-peace deal
This Week in History: Wye River land-for-peace deal - Features - Jerusalem Post

Tumah · Apr 18, 2015

Godobeyer said:
I disagree there are some people (Jews) hate the Muslims citizens , and of course most of Jews (affraid) .
and i bet the same feeling is virse-a-verse

Of course. And I'm sure Hamas calling for more kidnappings, doesn't help.

Godobeyer said:
see how much Israeli goverment love his second degree citizens(Arabs) recenty demolishing many of it's Arab citizens homes ? so Arabs make general strike

it's illegale to build home in your land in Israel . so it's very easy to demolishing Arab homes in Israel !!!!

check the link
Israeli Arabs call for general strike over home demolition
Israeli Arabs call for general strike over home demolition policy | i24news - See beyond

Why do you think Israel only demolishes illegal Palestinian homes? They demolish illegal Israeli homes too. Maybe your Muslim news doesn't speak about that?

Godobeyer said:
the big question is :
I agree that Israeli (Jews )people and regime made good deeds to "allow" to some Muslims to live in Israel , so i suppose stop criticing Israel regime for it's bad deeds against Arabs ?

No. It shows that what you are calling "Israeli regime's bad deeds" is really only a response to PA and GS bad deeds. In other words, as I keep saying, if PA and GS stop doing bad deeds, Israel won't have to respond with bad deeds too.

Godobeyer said:
I said Israel occupating and humilation the Muslims in WB . and bombing in wars with Hamas the civilains in Gaza (by accident) .

So its OK for Hamas to bomb Israeli civilians, but not OK for Israel to respond? Who do you think shoots the first missile?

Godobeyer said:
No, it's not what I meant , i mean IF Hamas was among the Jews in Tel Aviv , Israeli army would not random bombing Hamas , because Israeli army will affraid to its civilians casautly

Yes. Because Israel takes care of its civilians. Why doesn't Hamas take care of its civilians??

Godobeyer said:
I mean Hamas knew well that Israeli army don't hesitate to kill Gazan civilians , so they(Hamas) gave Israeli army that chance "reason" to kill more civilians .

Maybe you are a father? If you know someone doesn't hesitate to kill your son, do you put your son in front of this person or hide them away? If you see a father put his son in front of enemy, would you take the son away from the father, because the father is bad?
If yes, then you are against Hamas just like Israel.

Israel doesn't want to kill Gaza civilians. But if the only way to protect Israeli civilians is by killing Gaza civilians, then what's the choice? What would you do?

Godobeyer said:
the strategy of i protect my civilians by killing your civilians is cheap army way

That is only half the story. You forget, Hamas tells civilians not to leave homes to protect, Hamas missiles. So how should Israel stop missiles being shot at civilians? Maybe they should just wait until Hamas runs out?

Godobeyer said:
you seems jump to another subject ?
you was talking all time about govermant (tell my govermant) .
My goverment is neutral in intern issues of Hamas or PA .

Ok

Godobeyer said:
in past !!!

you really shock me by this question !!!! Israeli regime peace deals with Palestinians , but each new Israeli goverment reject what previous govermant deals about , the strategy of peace process of Israeli regime with Palestinians is "so let re-deal what we already deal about"

This Week in History: Wye River land-for-peace deal
This Week in History: Wye River land-for-peace deal - Features - Jerusalem Post

Tell me a date for when.[/QUOTE]

Godobeyer · Apr 19, 2015

Tumah said:
Of course. And I'm sure Hamas calling for more kidnappings, doesn't help.

Just cares , How much Palestinians prisons in Israeli Jails ? 10 000 ? or more ?

How much Israeli (Jews) in Jails of Hamas !!! 0 ?

seems the victimes always blamed only for his willing ?

Why do you think Israel only demolishes illegal Palestinian homes? They demolish illegal Israeli homes too. Maybe your Muslim news doesn't speak about that?

are you kidding us ?
these scenes don't work with us , since Israel don't build homes to citizens Arabs ,AND IF they want to build new homes Israel demolish their homes !!!!

No. It shows that what you are calling "Israeli regime's bad deeds" is really only a response to PA and GS bad deeds. In other words, as I keep saying, if PA and GS stop doing bad deeds, Israel won't have to respond with bad deeds too.

Israel with had more control and power (occupted,abuse,checkpoint,colonise...) so the Israeli bad deeds count more .

So its OK for Hamas to bomb Israeli civilians, but not OK for Israel to respond? Who do you think shoots the first missile?

both are blamed , Israeli army blamed more for civilians casualty more than 2700 killed in last war .

Yes. Because Israel takes care of its civilians. Why doesn't Hamas take care of its civilians??

let's suppose Hamas is blamed more .
So Israeli army acting like Hamas so they killing their civilians ?

Maybe you are a father? If you know someone doesn't hesitate to kill your son, do you put your son in front of this person or hide them away? If you see a father put his son in front of enemy, would you take the son away from the father, because the father is bad?
If yes, then you are against Hamas just like Israel.

this is how the gangs thinking , if you harm my family i will harm yours .

Israel doesn't want to kill Gaza civilians. But if the only way to protect Israeli civilians is by killing Gaza civilians, then what's the choice? What would you do?

it's just like some one saying to other : " I don't want kill you but actuatly i killing you and I wish killing you"

That is only half the story. You forget, Hamas tells civilians not to leave homes to protect, Hamas missiles. So how should Israel stop missiles being shot at civilians? Maybe they should just wait until Hamas runs out?

ok i am runing with and so let's suppose that right , so Israel knows that Hamas tells civilians not to leave homes , so Israeli army why keep bombing them ?

Ok

good

Tell me a date for when.

13 september 1993 in Washington

The Oslo Accords | History Lessons

Kerr · Apr 19, 2015

Tumah said:
The following un-edited posts really made me wonder: Among those who are anti-Israel, is there really a question about Israel's right to exist?

I really don't approve of Israels politics... but annihilating it? Hell no. It exists and has the right to do so. Besides, we already have enough violence and hate in the world. We don't need more of it. Also I don't think the situation is as easy as that it's one side that has all the blame.

Tumah · Apr 19, 2015

Godobeyer said:
Just cares , How much Palestinians prisons in Israeli Jails ? 10 000 ? or more ?

How much Israeli (Jews) in Jails of Hamas !!! 0 ?

seems the victimes always blamed only for his willing ?

That's because Hamas kills the Jews it gets their hands on. Israel imprisons the terrorists that it gets their hands on. Many terrorists = many prisoners. Dead Jews = no prisoners.

Godobeyer said:
are you kidding us ?
these scenes don't work with us , since Israel don't build homes to citizens Arabs , IF they want to build new homes Israel demolish their homes !!!!

Only in illegal settlements. Just like Israelis. And only 7 months ago Jerusalem approved a plan for 2,200 units in East Jerusalem. And that's how it is for everyone. There's a housing bubble in Israel, its not just the Muslims who are suffering. Its everyone.

Godobeyer said:
Israel with had more control and power (occupted,abuse,checkpoint,colonise...) so the Israeli bad deeds count more .

That's ridiculous. If Hamas is the aggressor and they want to prevent repercussions, they need to stop being aggressive. You are basically saying, since Israel is stronger, Hamas can do whatever they want to Israel with no repercussions?!?

Godobeyer said:
both are blamed , Israeli army blamed more for civilians casualty more than 2700 killed in last war .

Tell Hamas not to pick on someone bigger, then they won't get hurt. Again, what do you expect? That Israel should sit quietly while Hamas abuses them?

Godobeyer said:
let's suppose Hamas is blamed more .
So Israeli army acting like Hamas so they killing their civilians ?

No, Hamas is forcing Israel to kill civilians by using their civilians to protect their missiles. Israel is not going to put more value on Gazans then on Israelis and they'd be fools to do so.

Godobeyer said:
this is how the gangs thinking , if you harm my family i will harm yours .

That's not what I said...
It sounds like you are trying to redirect the question.

Godobeyer said:
it's just like some one saying to other : " I don't want kill you but actuatly i killing you and I wish killing you"

What you are saying makes no sense.
If Israel had the ability to protect its citzens without harming Gazans, than they would. But since Hamas uses the Gazan civilians to protect the missiles that they are shooting into Israel, Israel is forced to destroy those missiles to protect their own civilians at the expense of Gazans. That not like what you're saying at all.

Godobeyer said:
ok i am runing with and so let's suppose that right , so Israel knows that Hamas tells civilians not to leave homes , so Israeli army why keep bombing them ?

Because they are sitting next to the missiles that are being shot into Israel.

Godobeyer said:
13 september 1993 in Washington

The Oslo Accords | History Lessons

Hamas and other Palestinian rejectionist groups did not accept Oslo and launched suicide bomb attacks on Israelis. There was opposition within Israel from settler-led groups. Oslo was only partially implemented.

Stevicus · Apr 19, 2015

Kerr said:
I really don't approve of Israels politics... but annihilating it? Hell no. It exists and has the right to do so. Besides, we already have enough violence and hate in the world. We don't need more of it. Also I don't think the situation is as easy as that it's one side that has all the blame.

I agree, any kind of talk about annihilating an entire country is always too extreme. I feel the same way whenever I hear any politician talk about "bombing them back to the stone age" or "make it into a parking lot" regarding whatever rogue nation du jour we're dealing with.

I have nothing against Israel, nor do I have anything against the Palestinians or the other Arab/Muslim states in the region. But as an American, I often feel as if we're being expected to take sides in these various Middle Eastern squabbles, and that's where we get into trouble ourselves. I think it's in our better interests to stay neutral and detached from this situation.

Kerr · Apr 19, 2015

Stevicus said:
I agree, any kind of talk about annihilating an entire country is always too extreme. I feel the same way whenever I hear any politician talk about "bombing them back to the stone age" or "make it into a parking lot" regarding whatever rogue nation du jour we're dealing with.

I have nothing against Israel, nor do I have anything against the Palestinians or the other Arab/Muslim states in the region. But as an American, I often feel as if we're being expected to take sides in these various Middle Eastern squabbles, and that's where we get into trouble ourselves. I think it's in our better interests to stay neutral and detached from this situation.

Yeah, I never really liked that kind of brutality. I mean, I'm not fond of the politics of many nations (skeptical of my own even), but I cannot think of I single one I would like to annihilate.

Godobeyer · Apr 20, 2015

Tumah said:
That's because Hamas kills the Jews it gets their hands on. Israel imprisons the terrorists that it gets their hands on. Many terrorists = many prisoners. Dead Jews = no prisoners.

seems Israelis never killed Palestinians !!! killing of innocent is comes from one side (Hamas) ?

Only in illegal settlements. Just like Israelis. And only 7 months ago Jerusalem approved a plan for 2,200 units in East Jerusalem. And that's how it is for everyone. There's a housing bubble in Israel, its not just the Muslims who are suffering. Its everyone.

the fact Jews are building new settlements , and Israeli government don't let the Arabs to build homes .
, is that fair ?

That's ridiculous. If Hamas is the aggressor and they want to prevent repercussions, they need to stop being aggressive. You are basically saying, since Israel is stronger, Hamas can do whatever they want to Israel with no repercussions?!?

No,since Israel occupating WB and seize Gaza , so it's had more reponsibility , when they provoking the Palestinians and Hamas .

the provoke and abuse creat the resistence .

Tell Hamas not to pick on someone bigger, then they won't get hurt. Again, what do you expect? That Israel should sit quietly while Hamas abuses them?

No, Hamas is forcing Israel to kill civilians by using their civilians to protect their missiles. Israel is not going to put more value on Gazans then on Israelis and they'd be fools to do so.

ridiculous way of thinking .

So because Israel bigger (stronger) than Hamas .so the Palestinians should accept the seige and abuse !!!!

so if Gaza was part of Russia or USA, Israel would not bombing the Gazans !!!!!

That's not what I said...
It sounds like you are trying to redirect the question.

I mean if some one try to hurt my son , i would not hurt his family too , i will hurt him (personaly).

the abuse would not expand to the innocents .

What you are saying makes no sense.
If Israel had the ability to protect its citzens without harming Gazans, than they would. But since Hamas uses the Gazan civilians to protect the missiles that they are shooting into Israel, Israel is forced to destroy those missiles to protect their own civilians at the expense of Gazans. That not like what you're saying at all.

White Phosphorus is effective weapon against missiles ,it's does not hurt human body !!!! WOW

Because they are sitting next to the missiles that are being shot into Israel.

Not always this is the reason .

the crime of Shejaiya , when Hamas kidnapped Israeli soldier , Israeli army revenge by strick over that region which was full of civilians .

this videos for 18+

and destorying a Neighborhood in Gaza just in 1 hour .

Hamas and other Palestinian rejectionist groups did not accept Oslo and launched suicide bomb attacks on Israelis. There was opposition within Israel from settler-led groups. Oslo was only partially implemented.

this is fake information , Palestinian government always calling Israel to establish the deal , and never reject the deal of Oslo .

everbody knows that Palestinians calling Israel to establish the deal and stop stealing the land in West Bank .

Juhurka · Apr 20, 2015

Tumah said:
The following un-edited posts really made me wonder: Among those who are anti-Israel, is there really a question about Israel's right to exist?

I don't really understand the question, why should Israels right to exist even be questioned? would anybody even think to question the existence of any other country so why should such questions concern Israel? When Britain's, Russia's,Egypt's, Saudi Arabia's and Iran's right to exist is proven maybe than Israel can be questioned but until than it's no ones business especially arabs.

Tumah · Apr 21, 2015

Juhurka said:
I don't really understand the question, why should Israels right to exist even be questioned? would anybody even think to question the existence of any other country so why should such questions concern Israel? When Britain's, Russia's,Egypt's, Saudi Arabia's and Iran's right to exist is proven maybe than Israel can be questioned but until than it's no ones business especially arabs.

That's a good question.

Should Israel be annihilated?

Should Israel be annihilated?

Yes

No

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