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Slowly but Surely Leaning Toward Paganism

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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As a "New Atheist," I'm staunchly against most forms of religious belief; I find most of them superstitious at best and harmful at worst. However, I cannot hide my admiration for many aspects that I have seen in Paganism. The environmentalism and reverence of nature, the heritage, the lore, and the sense of unity with nature just charm me in a way that I cannot fully explain. I have to admit that I find Paganism, in short, beautiful and awe-inspiring. Even if I don't end up a Pagan, I will still look upon it fondly, at least compared to most other strains of religious belief.

I'm not a seeker in the common sense of the word, but if there is one path that I have any chance of following any time soon, it is Paganism.

May Ishtar fill you with love, Athena guide your path, and Mother Nature watch over you.

:D
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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:fearscream: So scandalous!

Don't let contemporary Paganism fool you, though: there's ugly bits too.
(mostly I ignore them and avoid poking them with sticks)

Does it have something to do with the fact that some of us quite literally worship the ground you walk on? ;)
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Premium Member
:fearscream: So scandalous!

Don't let contemporary Paganism fool you, though: there's ugly bits too.
(mostly I ignore them and avoid poking them with sticks)

Does it have something to do with the fact that some of us quite literally worship the ground you walk on? ;)

Oops... you are on to me. :D

Seriously, though, what ugly bits do you see in contemporary Paganism? And isn't Neopaganism basically the same thing?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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Neopaganism and contemporary Paganism are synonyms, yes. I have started leaning towards using the phrase "contemporary Paganism" because that has started becoming more common in the academic literature.

Like any religious community, it is composed of people. And people can do ugly things. But aside from that, there are a few things I sometimes observe that just rub me the wrong way. The Neopagans who have a chip on their shoulder against anything that smells like Christianity; the stupid arguments that occur about use of various terms and who has the right to use some particular label or another; the flawed comparisons to the sciences and derailment into pseudoscience; the phobia of organization and structure to the point it is debilitating and self-sabotaging.

All in all, I learned to ignore all the ugly bits and focus on the positives, as there are far more of those than there are drawbacks. I think I've found a good community in tossing my hat in with OBOD in particular, though it's quite a drive to the nearest grove or seed group for me. I hope to eventually roll out to the nearest one, and it gives me a fantastic excuse to take a trip to the UK.
 

Treks

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I love it when some Pagans say they worship or honour the earth and then proceed to litter their cigarette butts. *sigh*
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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A testimony to the power of cultural conditioning. That's actually one of the major challenges of being Neopagan in my culture. The values and habits of mainstream culture are very much at odds with the values, practices, and beliefs of us. You have to look around and find the parts that aren't, and make a concerted effort to live in accord with your path. One has to cultivate a level of mindfulness above and beyond.

I suppose I have some advantage. Though an American, I grew up in a more progressive, environmentalist subculture, so those things come naturally to me. But those who didn't grow up in that subculture? It'll be a challenge for them. They have to unlearn what they learned. There is a lot of unlearning that goes on walking these paths. Unlearn what you were taught about religion. Unlearn what you were taught about gods. Unlearn what you were taught about what the word myth means. Unlearn what you were taught about magic. Unlearn what you were taught about the ethical status of non-human persons (yes, persons). Lots of unlearning.
 

EverChanging

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Like any religious community, it is composed of people. And people can do ugly things. But aside from that, there are a few things I sometimes observe that just rub me the wrong way. The Neopagans who have a chip on their shoulder against anything that smells like Christianity; the stupid arguments that occur about use of various terms and who has the right to use some particular label or another; the flawed comparisons to the sciences and derailment into pseudoscience; the phobia of organization and structure to the point it is debilitating and self-sabotaging.

Yeah, I noticed all those things in the neo-pagan group I was involved with informally for a long time. I am not slow in criticizing elements of institutional Christianity, but I wanted to learn about neo-paganism, not crack jokes about other religions all the time. :/ And there was a lot of pseudoscience and the ceremonies were usually slapped together unthoughtfully, though I enjoyed a Kemetic reconstructionist ceremony as a visitor. There was also a lot of hostility to Christopaganism even though one of the most thoughtful, devout members was very Christopagan and always very respectful and kind to me.

On the flip side there are problems in all communities. I still met wonderful thoughtful people. I'd say the negative ones were a minority. And neo-paganism is so broad; there is no obligation to associate with a community one dislikes unlike my current experience with Catholicism. These days my neo-pagan friends mostly practice as solitaries and meet together occasionally for lunch or just to hang out.

Much of my spiritual practice is private, ceremonies and devotions I've created. I'm almost always alone unless a close friend or maybe my sister is present. You can experience or do anything within ethical limits. You don't have to put yourself in a box or put up with ceremonies that you can't connect to. It can be difficult to start from scratch and I often gave up on creating private spiritual practices, but once you find a basic core to adhere to you can let experience and intuition develop your practice to have something coherent and meaningful.

This is my rule of thumb: there are many things I find attractive spiritually speaking from just about any religion modern or ancient. But if you slap together everything shiny you might get overwhelmed with something of little substance. If something is consistent with my core theology and spirituality and it is also useful or grows organically from what I've created, then it can be incorporated, whether it's from another religion (barring issues of cultural misappropriation) or from my own spirit. Otherwise it can be admired and respected from afar in its own context but it's not something I need or even should do.

Cultural misappropriation in particular is tricky. I stopped bothering with incorporating specific elements from other religions a long time ago for that and other reasons. Usually I will adapt something from my own religious background or practice with a similar function or meaning. That keeps me ethical, consistent, and grounds all of my practices in my own Western psyche and spiritual background, keeps me grounded.
 
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