Peaceful Vs Vengeful Jesus

[Valjean]

Jesus was a pacifist, except toward fig trees. He taught peace, submission and turning the other cheek. He advocated meekness, not resisting evil and doing good to one's persecutors.
Christianity, in a way, is a slave religion.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

He was also passive aggressive.

"I'm not gonna mess you up, but my Daddy will."

He was hypocritical, teaching submission and not resisting evil except that's not why you chase people around with whips and all THEY were doing was selling offerings, not even murdering babies or anything.

 

[idav]

He was also passive aggressive.

"I'm not gonna mess you up, but my Daddy will."

He was hypocritical, teaching submission and not resisting evil except that's not why you chase people around with whips and all THEY were doing was selling offerings, not even murdering babies or anything.

Chasing money out of the house of god is one thing, being lashed and not calling the wrath of God is another thing. He took the beatings and then said father forgive them, where as daddy may have been ready to just bleep us out of existence.

 

[viole]

Christians are generally turned off by burkas and beheadings. As far as Gods wrath goes, Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

And why should we be scared by the ONE who can destroy both souls and body in Hell?

He seems , at least prima facie, to be preferrable to the one Who does nothing about those souls and bodies while they are in Hell.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kemosloby]

And why should we be scared by the ONE who can destroy both souls and body in Hell?

He seems , at least prima facie, to be preferrable to the one Who does nothing about those souls and bodies while they are in Hell.

Ciao

- viole

True, they even wrote a song like that called, I Wouldn't Mind Dying If Dying Was All.

But I don't know how bad hell is or if you get out someday.

 

[viole]

True, they even wrote a song like that called, I Wouldn't Mind Dying If Dying Was All.

But I don't know how bad hell is or if you get out someday.

It cannot be too bad, especially if you die old. All that gnashing of teeth would turn into a gnashing of gums, which seems more tolerable. At least prima facie.

Relax, there is no Hell.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Pudding]

What are thoughts on believers or non-believers that Jesus in peaceful or vengeful.

Are christians scared of muslims because they may or may not believe in a vengeful Jesus? Are non-religious scared of jesus believing religions because in a similar fashion? If it isn't fear is it something else?

Thanks to many sect/denomination who say that only their version of Jesus is the true one. Non-believer will go to hell, it's a natural consequences because doesn't follow their denomination's version of Jesus.
Those belong to the vengeful type of Jesus.

I believe many of them will disagree with me, because they might be truely believe in their version of Jesus, they want to help people to avoid hell but go to heaven.

But hearing all those many version of Jesus threatening me with hell so that i can obey them, thanks their Gods even if i obey one version of those Jesus many other of those version of Jesus will still continue to threatening me.

I have to also say that, i have no interest to become a believer of those version of Jesus to give warning or threatening every non-believer.

Why?

Because those many version of Jesus give me a feeling that they just see my life as rubbish and my life would be meaningless if i don't follow them. Other reason also included that some of my moral code is in conflict with some of theirs, so i'll not follow those immoral moral code of them, and thanks their Gods that will send me to their version of hell.

Bonus question:
What do religions feel of followers who take gods supposed vengeance into their own hands?

What do religions feel?
Religions is form by their believers and Gods(if Gods exist).
The feeling is dependant on how each individual believer or God's opinion about that, can be angry/sad/dissapointed/happy/feeling-righteous/agree/disagree etc, there can be many combinations from those example.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Nd come

It cannot be too bad, especially if you die old. All that gnashing of teeth would turn into a gnashing of gums, which seems more tolerable. At least prima facie.

Relax, there is no Hell.

Ciao

- viole

So you've died and come back to tell us this?

 

[viole]

Nd come


So you've died and come back to tell us this?

I was a born again Christian. Now, I have been told I am not a born again, anymore. Therefore, I must have died in the process.

Ciao

- viole

 

[idav]

Jesus was a pacifist, except toward fig trees.

Ok he showed opression towards fig trees. His vengeance is awe inspiring!

 

[idav]

Thanks to many sect/denomination who say that only their version of Jesus is the true one. Non-believer will go to hell, it's a natural consequences because doesn't follow their denomination's version of Jesus.
Those belong to the vengeful type of Jesus.

I believe many of them will disagree with me, because they might be truely believe in their version of Jesus, they want to help people to avoid hell but go to heaven.

But hearing all those many version of Jesus threatening me with hell so that i can obey them, thanks their Gods even if i obey one version of those Jesus many other of those version of Jesus will still continue to threatening me.

I have to also say that, i have no interest to become a believer of those version of Jesus to give warning or threatening every non-believer.

Why?

Because those many version of Jesus give me a feeling that they just see my life as rubbish and my life would be meaningless if i don't follow them. Other reason also included that some of my moral code is in conflict with some of theirs, so i'll not follow those immoral moral code of them, and thanks their Gods that will send me to their version of hell.

Can't say I disagree. I can even understand the sinner go to hell aspect but even then, it is a whole lot different thinking we should go into Armageddon mode in the name of god.

What do religions feel?
Religions is form by their believers and Gods(if Gods exist).
The feeling is dependant on how each individual believer or God's opinion about that, can be angry/sad/dissapointed/happy/feeling-righteous/agree/disagree etc, there can be many combinations from those example.

I meant how the followers feel in their religion in regards to vengeful Jesus. I guess it could have a lot to do with the denominations versions of hell but seems to be more to it. Most everyone says judgement is up to god.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Because he's not.

He may have been an improvement, but his compassion had definite borders.

Yeah, he's supposed to come back all pissed off and kill most of us. Lol.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Live and let die. The non-believer were very unfortunate. With its wisdom a pacifist can make itself safe.

 

[idav]

Yeah, he's supposed to come back all pissed off and kill most of us. Lol.

What if I think a sword coming out of his mouth in end days is symbolic?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Ok he showed opression towards fig trees. His vengeance is awe inspiring!

And he chased a bunch of pigs off a cliff. Can you watch abused animals on youtube? Imagine an entire herd of pigs, squealing in terror before you hear the splatters on the ground below, combined with the smell of their ravaged flesh and blood as it paints the entire area red.

And he threatens even more tortures in hell.

Jesus is not someone well versed in the psychology of positive reinforcement.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What if I think a sword coming out of his mouth in end days is symbolic?

It is. But God is still supposed to release all those plagues and kill off humanity, before throwing a bunch of us in a lake of fire. Jesus is supposed to return as a vengeful warrior covered in blood, not a peaceful, loving hippy.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

 

[idav]

And he chased a bunch of pigs off a cliff. Can you watch abused animals on youtube? Imagine an entire herd of pigs, squealing in terror before you hear the splatters on the ground below, combined with the smell of their ravaged flesh and blood as it paints the entire area red.

And he threatens even more tortures in hell.

Jesus is not someone well versed in the psychology of positive reinforcement.

Did Jesus drive them off the cliff or wasn't that a symptom of the pigs having been possessed and going crazy?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did Jesus drive them off the cliff or wasn't that a symptom of the pigs having been possessed and going crazy?

It was him who put the demons in the pigs in the first place. The pigs were just normal pigs at first. It's his fault.

 

[idav]

It is. But God is still supposed to release all those plagues and kill off humanity, before throwing a bunch of us in a lake of fire. Jesus is supposed to return as a vengeful warrior covered in blood, not a peaceful, loving hippy.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

The sword coming out of his mouth is symbolic for strong words, then says "truth is marching". It's hard to decipher book of Revelation when the whole thing is symbolic. Even hell is really a symbolism for the grave. So saying people will die and not have everlasting life means dying and not being resurrected. Although even then "reborn in spirit" is also symbolic and I don't think it to be a literal physical transformation.

 

[idav]

It was him who put the demons in the pigs in the first place. The pigs were just normal pigs at first. It's his fault.

Apparently that is a method for curing a possessed human.