What should the West do Now about Islamic Terrorism?

[icehorse]

The same Quran that tells you to not kill innocents? The same Quran that tells you not to harm prisoners of war? The same Quran that tells you to allow religious freedoms for people of other religions?

Also, can you define what Jihad is? Since you seem to be such an expert.

And the same Quran that declares abrogation of its own verses.

 

[Penumbra]

I don't know the optimal solution to deal with ISIS or Islamic terrorism in general, but I think one of the most crucial things is to avoid overreacting.

One of the worst things a country can do when it faces a few violent acts of terrorism is to totally alter its policies to the detriment of economic growth or other variables. Or elect crazy people or slide towards fascism or isolationism or racism.

In some countries, terrorism is a major problem, but in developed countries, terrorist events kill only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of one percent of the population. And any given type of terrorism, like Islamic terrorism for example, only constitutes a fraction of the total terrorist events in a given year. In the west, right-wing or nationalistic terrorism is the second biggest terrorist group along with Islamic terrorism.

Trying to stop those events when possible is certainly important, but everything has to be kept in perspective.

Osama Bin Laden was quoted in Al Jazeera a decade ago as mocking the United States for falling into his trap, when we spent trillions of dollars and thousands of soldier lives to fight in the middle east after his terrorist hit on 9/11. He damaged us far more in the ten years after that event due to our overreaction, than he damaged us during that event itself.

Now if ISIS kills a few hundred people in Europe or the United States, or even more indirectly if a few lone wolves kill people due to being inspired by ISIS, and our countries all radically change our policies affecting millions of people by taking away privacies or freedoms of our own citizens, or going to war, then we fall into their trap again.

 

[Aquitaine]

They don't need suicide bombs silly, they have drones and billion dollar industries based on creating weaponry which can effectively destroy entire generations of brown people.

Is any of this being done in the name of Atheism?
Were the policy makers indoctrinated and radicalised by Atheism?
Is there even a central - or any - authority on Atheism from where people can be radicalised?

 

[McBell]

And how will more violence stop that? It won't. If someone decides to attack with guns, explosives, knives, etc. while you're out doing your daily business, there's not much you can do about it. I live in the hood and there's shootings all the time here. A bullet could come through my window or a wall, or I could get shot from just being outside. There's nothing I can do about that.

world war one
world war two
every single super bowl

just saying....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Is there even a central - or any - authority on Atheism from where people can be radicalised?

Richard Dawkins is to blame! Writing those inflammatory texts like "The God Delusion", radicalising vulnerable agnostics and disillusioned theists!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This is it!
the interventions was the problem.

ah ,West supported (rebels) terrorists to remove dictator, or not friendly regime (to West) !

I prefer to live under dictatoric regime than voilence and terrorism.

People with this attitude are usually the first to start complaining about Western apathy the moment a dictator starts violently repressing his own people or invading his neighbours. Or they start complaining that their dictators are being funded or backed by the West.

The West can do no good in the eyes of the Muslim world. We're damned if we do anything and damned if we don't.

I think the best (admittedly unachievable) solution for the West would be to coordinate with countries like Russia, India etc which border the 'Muslim world' (by that I mean nations where Muslims are the majority religion) to cut off any and all influence, trade etc, to basically enforce a blockade of the Muslim world and just keep them there. No travel to or from the Muslim world to anywhere outside. Complete isolation. If they want to be ruled by dictators then let them. If they want to slaughter each other over dogmatic or ethnic differences then let them. If they want to throw nukes at each other... then the West should step in and stop the launches with air strikes or ICBM (non-nuclear payloads) strikes. Because nuclear bombs going off would be bad for all of us. If Muslim countries want to live in peace with one another and actually build up their societies and advance themselves then let them. But they can't trade or interact in any way with the infidel, who apparently is the author of all their woes.

If we were to start doing this tomorrow, how long would it take Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I Know it's wahabi , the West could force or at least call the kings of oil regime to not being radical.
I believe West had some control on them, they are just followers regimes.

See? This is what I was talking about in my previous post. You just said you are better off under a dictator and now you're complaining about dictators - because they're backed by the West.

Now it's very complicated , it's become like civil wars and terrorism.

All world fought Nazi , including Muslims , I do believe West and all world should fight ISIS with us, because we the Muslimswere/are the first level of defense , we fought and fighting them.

With this statement you're trying to have your cake and eat it. You want the West to stop getting involved in the Muslim world, but now you also want the West to help fight Islamic State. That's the exact opposite of what you just said: that would be getting completely involved. So which is it? If you want Western intervention to stop completely then that means "completely". That means no more help to fix problems of your own making like dictators Muslims put in power but are now sick of; and no more help to fix problems we helped to create like Islamic State, Saudi Arabia or Israel (for the record, I'm only calling Israel a 'problem' here because that seems to be how most Muslims in the Arab world view them - not because I view them as one).

 

[Flankerl]

If we were to start doing this tomorrow, how long would it take Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

Never.

 

[Godobeyer]

See? This is what I was talking about in my previous post. You just said you are better off under a dictator and now you're complaining about dictators - because they're backed by the West.

I did not mean that,you misunderstand me.
I don't complaining about dictators to be removed and install insteal by civil wars and terrorism.despite I have some criticize notes.

we had enough problems, and we got the lesson.

With this statement you're trying to have your cake and eat it. You want the West to stop getting involved in the Muslim world, but now you also want the West to help fight Islamic State. That's the exact opposite of what you just said: that would be getting completely involved. So which is it? If you want Western intervention to stop completely then that means "completely". That means no more help to fix problems of your own making like dictators Muslims put in power but are now sick of; and no more help to fix problems we helped to create like Islamic State, Saudi Arabia or Israel (for the record, I'm only calling Israel a 'problem' here because that seems to be how most Muslims in the Arab world view them - not because I view them as one)

You miss my point again, I hope @David1967 could help me to clarify my point for you, because he understood it better

I want from West to correct what they done. or at least leave us alone , not involved by claim helping rebels against dictotic regimes.

West is allies to many dictatoric regime , just because they are just followers ,the West keep them , and be friend to them.

 

[LuisDantas]

If we were to start doing this tomorrow, how long would it take Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

It would not help at all. We would be immediately branded (correctly) as callous isolationists and (incorrectly) as hopelessly tainted by the poisons of "atheism" and "secularism".

For one whose very social survival relies on learning to presume the need for submission to God's will, it is not really possible to question those beliefs, facts be damned. Not without a lot of sorrow and pain, at least.

 

[Godobeyer]

The West can do no good in the eyes of the Muslim world. We're damned if we do anything and damned if we don't.

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If we were to start doing this tomorrow, how long would it take Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

Historic Facts tells (not you or me), Western involves in Muslim world (Libya,Syria,Iraq) ,is always bad except Kosovo.

If those problems you don't have any "dirty" hand on them (involve) , why should Muslims blaming West in first place ?

for exemple , in Algeria 1991 happened military coup when Islamic party won election , so after that we suffered a long period terrorism about 15 years , I never blamed West for that.

Turkey coup did not blame West for that.

Saudi bombing Yeman I never blamed West for that.

I blamed only in the involvement issues (dirty hands).

 

[Godobeyer]

Never.

Tell that to Jews , to stop blaming Nazi for the Holocaust , Japan stop blaming USA for drop A-bombs, and Vietnem non-sense years of war....etc.

 

[McBell]

Tell that to Jews , to stop blaming Nazi for the Holocaust , Japan stop blaming USA for drop A-bombs, and Vietnem non-sense years of war....etc.

you do realize you just proved her point?
You do realize that proving her point does not help your argument?

 

[Godobeyer]

you do realize you just proved her point?
You do realize that proving her point does not help your argument?

Where is the problem ?
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Yes , I do realize , Yes everyone is responsible for his deeds in past or present, bad or good .
so my point is valid.

 

[Flankerl]

Tell that to Jews , to stop blaming Nazi for the Holocaust

Why? If the Nazis could they would do it again. Can it possibly be that you are mixing up Germans with Nazis?

 

[McBell]

Where is the problem ?
.
Yes , I do realize , Yes everyone is responsible for his deeds in past or present, bad or good .
so my point is valid.

How about the fact that you will always be whining about how the "West" did this or that or the other thing?
For Muslims like yourself, the "West" is a handy scapegoat for Muslims, Islam, etc.

"Muslims wouldn't be bombing innocents if the West blah blah blah"​

 

[Godobeyer]

Why? If the Nazis could they would do it again. Can it possibly be that you are mixing up Germans with Nazis?

This is the point , Nazi regime is gone , the Western "regimes " whom involve in Muslim world are still exist.

back to your "never" , why should we should stop blaming West for involve ?

 

[Jumi]

How about the fact that you will always be whining about how the "West" did this or that or the other thing?
For Muslims like yourself, the "West" is a handy scapegoat for Muslims, Islam, etc.

"Muslims wouldn't be bombing innocents if the West blah blah blah"​

I've always found @Godobeyer more reasonable then that. He has always been against "Muslims bombing innocents". Though "West" has responsibility for many ill-conceived interventions, he's not blaming all of what's happening on the western world.

 

[Godobeyer]

How about the fact that you will always be whining about how the "West" did this or that or the other thing?
For Muslims like yourself, the "West" is a handy scapegoat for Muslims, Islam, etc.

"Muslims wouldn't be bombing innocents if the West blah blah blah"​

arrogance ?

If there was NO involve (intervention) of West ,it's really unfair that Muslims blamed West .

 

[Godobeyer]

I've always found @Godobeyer more reasonable then that. He has always been against "Muslims bombing innocents". Though "West" has responsibility for many ill-conceived interventions, he's not blaming all of what's happening on the western world.

This is it

for exemple :
I do blame West now for supporting rebels(terrorists) in Syria, I do salute the West for receive the Syrians refugees.