Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

ok i get it

where " the countries came under Muslim rule by violent conquest' ?

Start with Mecca, and work your way out to the rest of the Middle East and on to the world ....

"When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca's inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?"

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

that's not true , Berber never make a war against Muslims .

I think I'll take the word of people who've bothered to research the history over someone who hasn't and is coming from an irredeemably religious bias.

 

[Kirran]

ok i get it

where " the countries came under Muslim rule by violent conquest' ?

Examples include the areas which are now Iran, Pakistan and Spain. Excludes Indonesia, Bangladesh etc.

 

[Godobeyer]

Start with Mecca, and work your way out to the rest of the Middle East and on to the world ....

"When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca's inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?"

You seems you ignore Islam history

there was war between Muslims and Non-Muslims , so Muslim were in defense most of time , they Muslims decide to take Mecca by order of God , Mecca surrender without war .

 

[Godobeyer]

I think I'll take the word of people who've bothered to research the history over someone who hasn't and is coming from an irredeemably religious bias.

take the words of people as you want .

for us (most of Algerian) are Berber , we know that Berber in past accept Islam without war

so you had bias history about us , made by anti-Islam fans , and you believe it .

 

[Godobeyer]

Examples include the areas which are now Iran, Pakistan and Spain. Excludes Indonesia, Bangladesh etc.

list it by credible evidences

for Spain i do agree that Muslim lost the adventure their .

 

[Kirran]

list it by credible evidences

for Spain i do agree that Muslim lost the adventure their .

Are you trying to say the Caliphates did not expand by conquest?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

take the words of people as you want .

for us (most of Algerian) are Berber , we know that Berber in past accept Islam without war

so you had bias history about us , made by anti-Islam fans , and you believe it .

So just because you're Berber you automatically know more about your own peoples' history than people who've actually studied the history through such fields as archaeology? Talk about blinkered and downright arrogant. It's this rampant denialism right here that makes it hard to take some Muslims on this board seriously when they're 'discussing' their religion's history.

I'd love to see your explanation for how Kahina fits into your people's history if Islam wasn't spread to the Berbers through violence.

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you trying to say the Caliphates did not expand by conquest?

Caliphates is temporare regime

Islam don't expand to Indonisia and India and whole Africa by "wars" .

 

[Kirran]

Caliphates is temporare regime

Islam don't expand to Indonisia and India and whole Africa by "wars" .

What do you mean by 'temporare regime'?

The Mughal Empire. The Fulani Caliphate.

 

[Godobeyer]

So just because you're Berber you automatically know more about your own peoples' history than people who've actually studied the history through such fields as archaeology? Talk about blinkered and downright arrogant. It's this rampant denialism right here that makes it hard to take some Muslims on this board seriously when they're 'discussing' their religion's history.

I'd love to see your explanation for how Kahina fits into your people's history if Islam wasn't spread to the Berbers through violence.

there are much Anti-Islam (fake information) about Islam history , you can believe whatever you want .

you need to give evidence from Algerian source (or North Africa source) , so that would be more credible .

 

[Godobeyer]

What do you mean by 'temporare regime'?

The Mughal Empire. The Fulani Caliphate.

Caliphate is label of regime system , so it's up to leader how rule the nation (NOT to Islam) .

just simple question :
so Caliphate spread Islam in Indonisia by sword ?

 

[Kirran]

Caliphate is label of regime system , so it's up to leader how rule the nation (NOT to Islam) .

just simple question :
so Caliphate spread Islam in Indonisia by sword ?

I understand that. But exposure to Islam, and to social and political systems where conversion to Islam was encouraged, was engendered by the spread of Islamic nations, regardless of whether Islam could be said to support that.

Just simple answer: As far as I'm aware, no, Islam was not spread by the sword in Indonesia, although I am unfamiliar with that region's history.

 

[Godobeyer]

I understand that. But exposure to Islam, and to social and political systems where conversion to Islam was encouraged, was engendered by the spread of Islamic nations, regardless of whether Islam could be said to support that.

that's may point Islam , could used by some Muslims by voilence but not in majority of cases .

in Islam is not forbiden to call non-Muslim to explore Islam and be Muslims (as most of religion of the world)

Just simple answer: As far as I'm aware, no, Islam was not spread by the sword in Indonesia, although I am unfamiliar with that region's history

this my point , Indonisia (largest Muslim country) Indonesian accept Islam without sword.

in your credible source in most of cases ,how Islam spread in North Africa and India ?
was Islam spread by sword ? or peace ?

NOTE : my history reference said , it's spread by peace not wars.

 

[Kirran]

that's may point Islam , could used by some Muslims by voilence but not in majority of cases .

in Islam is not forbiden to call non-Muslim to explore Islam and be Muslims (as most of religion of the world)



this my point , Indonisia (largest Muslim country) Indonesian accept Islam without sword.

in your credible source in most of cases ,how Islam spread in North Africa and India ?
was Islam spread by sword ? or peace ?

NOTE : my history reference said , it's spread by peace not wars.

I know your English has some issues, but please try to understand me.

I'm not saying that all the Muslims in these countries were converted at the point of a sword. What I'm saying is that conquest and social and economic pressures served to first expose them to Islam, and then encourage their conversion to it (in many of these states, a Muslim would have many more economic opportunities, would be able to a get a place in the royal court, etc.). So in cases such as India and Spain, which I am more familiar with, it was beneficial to convert to Islam for material reasons, and the initial exposure to Islam and the adoption of that system and social structure was brought on by the conquest of their lands by Muslim rulers, who brought with them substantial numbers of Muslim settlers from elsewhere, in many cases.

This is not black and white 'conversion at sword/gunpoint' vs. 'conversion utterly peacefully and with no pressures'. There are a lot of shades of grey here.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

there are much Anti-Islam (fake information) about Islam history , you can believe whatever you want .

And what evidence do you have that this is just "Anti-Islam (fake information) about Islam history"? Muslim armies in foreign lands weren't there to sell cookies.

Where did you learn your version of Islamic history?

you need to give evidence from Algerian source (or North Africa source) , so that would be more credible .

Kahina.

There's your evidence.

 

[Godobeyer]

And what evidence do you have that this is just "Anti-Islam (fake information) about Islam history"? Muslim armies in foreign lands weren't there to sell cookies.

Where did you learn your version of Islamic history?

Kahina.

There's your evidence.

ok that's was a war between Arabs and Berbers , then her sons convert to Islam , but i check it in the Algerian history , she was not a Jew , as Wikipedia claim , there is much exageration and lies in .denied by Ibn Khaldon about Kahina .

in most of cases Muslim armies expand in Asia and Africa without war , that's it .

 

[Godobeyer]

I know your English has some issues, but please try to understand me.

I'm not saying that all the Muslims in these countries were converted at the point of a sword. What I'm saying is that conquest and social and economic pressures served to first expose them to Islam, and then encourage their conversion to it (in many of these states, a Muslim would have many more economic opportunities, would be able to a get a place in the royal court, etc.). So in cases such as India and Spain, which I am more familiar with, it was beneficial to convert to Islam for material reasons, and the initial exposure to Islam and the adoption of that system and social structure was brought on by the conquest of their lands by Muslim rulers, who brought with them substantial numbers of Muslim settlers from elsewhere, in many cases.

This is not black and white 'conversion at sword/gunpoint' vs. 'conversion utterly peacefully and with no pressures'. There are a lot of shades of grey here.

there is no pressure how people accept Islam in most of cases , i recall Indonisian as good exemple .

 

[Flankerl]

in most of cases Muslim armies expand in Asia and Africa without war

Hahaha

This is so hilarious, you just can't make it up.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

ok that's was a war between Arabs and Berbers

Arabs who were Muslim.

then her sons convert to Islam , but i check it in the Algerian history , she was not a Jew , as Wikipedia claim , there is much exageration and lies in .denied by Ibn Khaldon about Kahina .

Wikipedia is saying that Muslim sources (specifically from the 19th Century) claim she was a Jew.

Accounts from the 19th century on, claim she was of Jewish religion or that her tribe were JudaizedBerbers.[4]

in most of cases Muslim armies expand in Asia and Africa without war , that's it .

Bull****. Armies don't march into an area, sell roses and either settle peacefully or leave. They fight, raid, ransack and make things a general misery. Muslim armies are/were no exception.

Kahina's rise to power was against the backdrop of the Muslim conquest of Carthage (and subsequent subjugation of North Africa).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb