FearGod
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There is no gender in the paradise, "hoor ain" is a masculine and they don't know what it is but some scholars
love women and hence they imagined and interpreted it as women.
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There are no mistakes in Quran
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There is no gender in the paradise, "hoor ain" is a masculine and they don't know what it is but some scholars
love women and hence they imagined and interpreted it as women.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I trust Jesus will clarify these things before the day of judgement
Princeps Eugenius
Active Member
Quran 78: (30) Verily for the God-fearing is an achievement. (31) Gardens enclosed and vineyards, (32) And full-breasted maidens of equal age. (33) And a cup overflowing. (34) They will hear therein no babble nor falsehood: (35) A recompense from thy Lord-a gift sufficient
Quran 56: When there happeneth Event. (1) There is about its happening no lie. (2) Abasing exalting. (3) This will happen when the earth is shaken, shaken (4) And the mountains are crumbled, crumbled. (5) So that they become dust seattered. (6) And ye are classes three. (7) Those on the right hand; how happy shall those on the right hand be! (8) And those on the left hand; how miserable shall those on the left hand be! (9) And the preceders are the pre-ceders. (10) Those! they shall be the brought nigh, (11) In Gardens of Delight. (12) A multitude from the ancients. (13) And a few from the later generations. (14) On couches in wrought with gold. (15) Reclining thereon facing each other. (16) There shall go round Unto them youths ever-young. (17) With goblets and ewers and a cup of limpid drink. (18) Whereby there shall be neither headiness nor will they be inebriated. (19) And with fruit from that which they choose. (20) And with flesh of fowls from that Which they desire. (21) And there will be fair ones large eyed. (22) The likes Unto pearls hidden. (23) A recompense for that which they have been working. (24) Therein they hear no vain or sinful discourse. (25) Nought but the saying: peace! peace! (26) And the fellows on the right hand; how be happy shall the fellows on the right hand be! (27) Midst lote-trees thornless. (28) And plantains laden with fruit. (29) And a shade ever-spread. (30) And water everflowing. (31) And fruit abundant. (32) Neither ending nor forbidden. (33) And carpets raised. (34) Verily We! We have created those maidens by a creation. (35) And have made them virgins. (36) Loving, of equal age. (37) For the fellows on the right hand. (38) A multitude from the ancients. (39) And a multitude from the later generations.
ak.yonathan
Active Member
Right, but muslims don't believe that Jesus is God.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
What about 72 virgins?????
Why should Yeshua have to fix the Quran as well as the Bible?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
In verse 78:33 they translated it as women of a like age وَكَواعِبَ أَترابًا whereas actually no word indicate that it's about women or females, also
verse 78:31 doesn't say men but all who feared God, so it is for both males and females إِنَّ لِلمُتَّقينَ مَفازًا Indeed a triumph awaits the Godwary:
Verse 56:11 they are the ones brought near [to Allah], so it isn't males or females, genders aren't specified
Verse 56:21 it says meat of fowls for their desires وَلَحمِ طَيرٍ مِمّا يَشتَهونَ and such flesh of fowls as they desire,
Verse 56:22 is hour ain which isn't male or female but the name is a masculine, so any interpretation is a work of guessing.
Verse 56:23 like guarded pearls, again nothing indicates that it's about women
Verse 56:27 —what are the People of the Right Hand? وَأَصحابُ اليَمينِ ما أَصحابُ اليَمينِ again not males or females, it is for both
The next verses describe their garden and their fruits which is produced naturally "virgin -أَبكارًا " which then magically made as virgin women whereas women or females never mentioned by word.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes Jesus was a prophet and a holy spirit but not God neither son of God.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
a fictitious story.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Why should Yeshua have to fix the Quran as well as the Bible?
Because that is his job, to guide people to the right way, some will believe and others will fight him.
Augustus
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This most likely relates to the specific environment of 7th C Middle East, as parts of the Quran are a commentary on Christianity made to an audience familiar with the stories and characters. The Quran clearly reflects the 7th C environment and refers to Biblical as well as non-Cannonical stories as well as non-scriptural Christian mythology.
"Some of the Qur’anic references to Mary and Jesus point to clear influence from canon- ical texts, particularly the Gospel of Luke or the quasi-canonical Diatessaron, as well as extra-canonical texts now considered apocryphal that were heavily used in the Near East before and around the time of the emergence of Islam, such as the Protevangelium of James." SA Mourad, Mary in the Quran (in The Quran in its historical context GS Reynolds). https://serdargunes.files.wordpress...-historical-context-gabriel-said-reynolds.pdf (full text)
This article discusses some aspects of the reasonably sophisticated understanding of religious issues regarding Christianity in the Quran if you are interested
http://www.academia.edu/12358270/The_Quran_and_its_Hypertextuality_in_Light_of_Redaction_Criticism
Given this, the passage you quoted, in my opinion, is unlikely to be a mistake based on a lack of knowledge, but either a criticism of a specific sect, or possibly simply a piece of oratory rhetoric aimed at those who were excessively venerating Mary (the 2nd link above also discusses Mary quite a lot).
Of course the idea that the audience were familiar with such issues doesn't fit well with the traditional Islamic narrative raising new issues, but I don't think that this can be said to be a 'mistake' in the Quran as it's author is clearly not ignorant of contemporary religious issues thus unlikely to make such an elementary error.
That is still assuming the Quran is his to deal with.... Again he doesn't have to fix peoples interpretations of it; when even Muhammad said, 'they will be following the traditions passed down from their forefathers, and ignore the message'.
Princeps Eugenius
Active Member
78:33 speaks of breasts if im not mistaken. how can men have breasts? perhaps its a new creation with both male and female appearance??? in 56:36 it clearly says that these houri are virgin and only women can be virgin biologically. and since it was talking about biological appearance in 78:33 i also believe it is talking about biological virginity in 56:36 meaning that these houris have big titties and are very tight virgins and nobody screwed them before you.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is still assuming the Quran is his to deal with.... Again he doesn't have to fix peoples interpretations of it; when even Muhammad said, 'they will be following the traditions passed down from their forefathers, and ignore the message'.
And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, they say: Enough for us is that wherein we found our fathers. What! Even though their fathers had no knowledge whatsoever, and no guidance? (5:104)
It isn't the saying of Muhammad but it is the words of the quran, yes some won't believe and choose their forefathers traditions.
Exactly... So where in the Quran does it say to circumcise like the Jews? Plus the many other traditions that have been adopted?
Where does it say that you should have 12 months like the fake roman calendar, when there should be 13 months in a year.... So even to begin on fixing interpretations, we need to remind people how to count; which was originally 11+the number, not 10+the number, until the decimal system was created. Sun divided by the moon, 365/28 = 13.
It is a nightmare of fixing interpretations, as people have adopted their own understandings on what is meant, and they refuse to change; as that is what they believe Islam should be, 'a tradition passed down from their forefathers'.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Verse (56:36) doesn't speak about big titties, what kind of attractiveness for women with big titties .
also much better if all kinds of women,small,medium,large titties, what about their length ?, all sizes
are available for you. what about their complexion ?, all colors are available for you . what about their
ages ? all ages are available for you, lolita, young age and middle age .
Lets speak logic, the ones in the paradise weren't mentioned as men, so there is no gender, also saying it is about women,
all with big titties, all with the same age doesn't make any sense, are their faces look alike as well or only their titties and
ages and how many are they, 100 ,1000 , 10000.
Princeps Eugenius
Active Member
It doesnt give further information but hadith do. I heard that these houris are see-through like crystal or water and you can seeher bone juice when looking at her crystal-clear leg for example. how many i dont know i havent read that many hadith myself i got tired after a couple because they talk about really boring topics, most of them, and the good ones are hard to find. but i heard somewhere that its 72 on top of the human wives you have on earth. so if you had 4 wives on earth you will have 76 women to have fun with. the size of the muslim will be the size of adam, which is 10 cubits, when he enters heaven and drinks from one of the rivers.Verse (56:36) doesn't speak about big titties, what kind of attractiveness for women with big titties .
also much better if all kinds of women,small,medium,large titties, what about their length ?, all sizes
are available for you. what about their complexion ?, all colors are available for you . what about their
ages ? all ages are available for you, lolita, young age and middle age .
Lets speak logic, the ones in the paradise weren't mentioned as men, so there is no gender, also saying it is about women,
all with big titties, all with the same age doesn't make any sense, are their faces look alike as well or only their titties and
ages and how many are they, 100 ,1000 , 10000.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The hadith is what people had said after hundreds of years after the death of the prophet, it wasn't memorized as only
the quran was to be memorized and recorded, so it is very hard to trust every hadith that you hear.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I agree with you. There exist 32000+ Christian denominations, many others that existed in the past have become extinct.
I would like to add following points in this connection:
1. One could see article "worship, Christian" in the online version of the Catholic Encyclopedia (1912):
“The word worship (Saxon weorthscipe, "honour"; from worth, meaning "value", "dignity", "price", and the termination, ship; Latin cultus) in its most general sense is homage paid to a person or a thing. In this sense we may speak of hero-worship, worship of the emperor, of demons, of the angels, even of relics, and especially of the Cross. This article will deal with Christian worship according to the following definition: homage paid to God, to Jesus Christ, to His saints, to the beings or even to the objects which have a special relation to God.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm
2. Mary is co-redemptrix occurs very early in the church. In the year 189ad Irenaeus wrote:
St. Irenaeus Against Heresies 3:22:4
“In accordance with this design, Mary the Virgin is found obedient, saying, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word."But Eve was disobedient; for she did not obey when as yet she was a virgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband, Adam, but being nevertheless as yet a virgin (for in Paradise "they were both naked, and were not ashamed,"inasmuch as they, having been created a short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it was necessary that they should first come to adult age, and then multiply from that time onward), having become disobedient, was made the cause of death, both to herself and to the entire human race; so also did Mary, having a man betrothed [to her], and being nevertheless a virgin,by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race... And thus also it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith.”
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103322.htm
3. When Quran stated that Christians worship Mary and believe in her divinity, the Christians did not object to it.
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averageJOE
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