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When the Big-Bang inflation occurred it was extreme density and heat around it

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Where did the cold come from in the space?

Note : In the human proverbial language where the science has no definite answer yet to give we say G-d did it. It does not stop the scientific probe of a Theist or an Atheist. It is convenient as well as accurate for an ordinary human being; why overburden one with the technicalities that have not yet proved to be factual and are not his field of life?

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David M

David M

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paarsurrey said:
Where did the cold come from in the space?

Note : In the human proverbial language where the science has no definite answer yet to give we say G-d did it. It does not stop the scientific probe of a Theist or an Atheist. It is convenient as well as accurate for an ordinary human being; why overburden one with the technicalities that have not yet proved to be factual and are not his field of life?

Regards
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In space, especially, "Cold" is just a label that we apply to certain levels of energy density. It did not need to come from anywhere.
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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paarsurrey said:
Where did the cold come from in the space?

Note : In the human proverbial language where the science has no definite answer yet to give we say G-d did it. It does not stop the scientific probe of a Theist or an Atheist. It is convenient as well as accurate for an ordinary human being; why overburden one with the technicalities that have not yet proved to be factual and are not his field of life?

Regards
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do you even know what cold is?
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
paarsurrey said:
Where did the cold come from in the space?
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From the same place as real numbers, integer, pi, and all math. It's also from the same place as logic. Cold is a human description of a certain relative state of energy. Lower energy = colder. Just to say "cold" is whatever I feel like cold today. After being in the 90º sunshine, a house at 75 feels cold. But if I've been on the slopes and come in, 75 will feel like a sauna. Perhaps you're talking about absolute zero? 0º K, which they recently managed to put some particles or atoms into (if I understand it right). Funny thing, it takes energy to put something in that state, and the coldest places in space are about 2.7º K, i.e. not absolute zero. Also, heat and cold are only realized, measured, felt, experienced when in contact with something else. "Cold" doesn't exist in of itself. Empty space is neither cold nor hot. Something has to be put there before you can truly have something hot or cold.
 
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Parsimony

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It cooled off because it rapidly expanded. Look up the gas laws. A gas cools as it expands. Not only that, but the expansion would have stretched out the wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation, eventually transforming them from high-energy gamma to the low-energy microwave photons we see today.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Ouroboros said:
From the same place as real numbers, integer, pi, and all math. It's also from the same place as logic. Cold is a human description of a certain relative state of energy. Lower energy = colder. Just to say "cold" is whatever I feel like cold today. After being in the 90º sunshine, a house at 75 feels cold. But if I've been on the slopes and come in, 75 will feel like a sauna. Perhaps you're talking about absolute zero? 0º K, which they recently managed to put some particles or atoms into (if I understand it right). Funny thing, it takes energy to put something in that state, and the coldest places in space are about 2.7º K, i.e. not absolute zero. Also, heat and cold are only realized, measured, felt, experienced when in contact with something else. "Cold" doesn't exist in of itself. Empty space is neither cold nor hot. Something has to be put there before you can truly have something hot or cold.
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Then it should be wrong to state that before inflation of Big-Bang, it was extreme dense and hot.
Right?
 
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Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Heat means
paarsurrey said:
Then it should be wrong to state that before inflation of Big-Bang, it was extreme dense and hot.
Right?
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No. Not sure why or how you got that from my post. "Heat" vs "cold" is subjective terms to describe relative differences of thermal energy. They're terms like "many" or "few". Many apples vs few apples. Is the concept of "few" created by God, otherwise there can only be "many" apples?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Awkward Fingers said:
Temperature is the (average) measurement of the motion of atoms and molecules in a substance.
Hot and cold are subjective.Not real measurements.
Temp is the measurement of the energy of something.
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“The continuous expansion of the universe implies that the universe was denser and hotter in the past.”
“This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang",[21]but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself,[22][notes 1]which can be considered the "birth" of our universe.”
“It is generally assumed that when the universe was young and very hot, it was in statistical equilibrium and contained equal numbers of baryons and antibaryons.”
“It is not known what could have preceded the hot dense state of the early universe or how and why it originated, though speculation abounds in the field ofcosmogony.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Does your explanation cover the above phenomena?
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Awkward Fingers

Awkward Fingers

Omphaloskeptic
paarsurrey said:
“The continuous expansion of the universe implies that the universe was denser and hotter in the past.”
“This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang",[21]but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself,[22][notes 1]which can be considered the "birth" of our universe.”
“It is generally assumed that when the universe was young and very hot, it was in statistical equilibrium and contained equal numbers of baryons and antibaryons.”
“It is not known what could have preceded the hot dense state of the early universe or how and why it originated, though speculation abounds in the field ofcosmogony.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Does your explanation cover the above phenomena?
Regards
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Well, lets look..
What you're talking about is the singularity, and the expansion shortly after.
At that point there would be a very large amount of energy, and molecular activity where there was energy.
Temperature is the measurement of motion and energy in a substance, or motion of energy.

So yes. That would fit. It was a very high energy situation, (which would = high temperature)
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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paarsurrey said:
Where did the cold come from in the space?

Note : In the human proverbial language where the science has no definite answer yet to give we say G-d did it. It does not stop the scientific probe of a Theist or an Atheist. It is convenient as well as accurate for an ordinary human being; why overburden one with the technicalities that have not yet proved to be factual and are not his field of life?

Regards
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I don't. I say "I don't know."
 
LegionOnomaMoi

LegionOnomaMoi

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paarsurrey said:
Where did the cold come from in the space?
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Note: why are certain "cold" temperatures hotter than the entire infinite possible values for positive "hot" temperatures? Put differently, understand temperature before trying to demonstrate a point using an incredibly inaccurate understanding of thermodynamics.
 
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