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I see no value in atheism

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Edit: I have to correct something here in this post which is that there is already a term that replaces my made up term "devoid theist." It would be "implicit atheism." Therefore, just replace my made up term with that one.

First off, I am going to explain something about atheism. When babies are born, I don't think we would even refer to them as atheists. Atheism is a disbelief in gods. But since these babies would not even have any disbelief at all since they are not even aware that there is no god for them to develop any sense of disbelief in the first place, then I don't think they would even be atheists. We might have to come up with a different term instead. I will just make up a term and call it "devoid theist."

But where I am getting at with this is that if all human beings were devoid theists, then it wouldn't make any difference if we were atheists. We would still be just as encouraged and motivated to live this one and only life. Therefore, I see no value in realizing that we are all just going to die and not live on in some afterlife. The only value here would be living life in of itself. A devoid theist would find just as much good value and would be just as inspired and motivated to live this one and only life just as an atheist would.

That being the case, it is only this beautiful and great life itself that holds value. Actually, I think people who are devoid theists do have this idea of living forever. If you are unaware of death, then the only thing you are aware of is living. So, in a sense, you would be aware of nothing but living on forever. Therefore, it is the idea of living forever that holds the greatest value for people who are doing just fine in life and are living their good lives. So the greatest life can only be defined as living forever in the lives that we personally deem as the greatest value for us.

But being aware of mortality holds no value. As a matter of fact, there are many people who are depressed, fearful, and have a sense of less good value and worth in their lives knowing that they will just forever die in the end. Why is this? It's not just because of some irrational thought these people are having. It is because fear and depression are natural stress responses. Depression, in addition to being a chemical imbalance or something wrong with the brain, is also a natural stress response to life's stressors. It warns us when something is wrong in our lives that hinders our survival.

Since death obviously hinders are survival, then it is only expected and natural for many people to feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. about the very idea of dying even if it is somehow an irrational stress response. If you were told that by tomorrow you would die from some illness, then it is only natural and expected that you would feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. just as natural as it would be for an atheist to also feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. about dying. People who don't feel this way just simply means that their minds are wired differently and just aren't bothered by the idea of dying as an atheist.

Therefore, since being a devoid theist would bring us the greatest lives, then it is mortality that is the problem here since it makes so many people depressed and such. Even if there are many people who just get over that stress, mortality is still a problem for many people. Therefore, it needs to be eliminated through a cure in the future.

Animals all live just perfectly fine not being aware of their death (limited lifespan). As a matter of fact, if one of these animals were to be somehow suddenly aware of their limited life and that they are going to eventually die, then that would only serve to cause them depression, fear, rage, etc. So just as it is with them, we are also better off not being aware of mortality. But at the same time, not being aware of mortality would prevent us from trying to find a cure for it.
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
. I will just make up a term and call it "devoid theist."

Ya that is defined as atheism.

Atheism is divided into two main groups and it looks like you don't know either. Implicit and explicit atheism.

Could you read up and come back when you know what your actually debating?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism

"implicit atheism" as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".
 

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
Ya that is defined as atheism.

Atheism is divided into two main groups and it looks like you don't know either. Implicit and explicit atheism.

Could you read up and come back when you know what your actually debating?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism

"implicit atheism" as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".

In that case, just simply replace the term "devoid theist" with "implicit atheism."
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I personally find atheist depressing. I feel it's important to have faith in something and how many believe that once you die, that's it, which I know is not true.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I personally find atheist depressing.

I find living mythology is depressing.

which I know is not true.

No you don't.

That is unsubstantiated rhetoric.

and how many believe that once you die, that's it,

Thing is we value the short life we have, and live for this life the best we can, because YOU only get one life, no matter what mythology you believe in. That's why some call it afterlife, because it factually is not life.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I find living mythology is depressing.



No you don't.

That is unsubstantiated rhetoric.



Thing is we value the short life we have, and live for this life the best we can, because YOU only get one life, no matter what mythology you believe in. That's why some call it afterlife, because it factually is not life.

Don't say I that I don't. I know it is true because I know the existence of spirits, in this world and the dream world. Can I prove it? No, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

All things in life have a cycle, wouldn't you think death has a cycle too? There is energy that sustains us. That energy is the soul. Sort of like with a robot. A robot may have all the parts it needs but it needs some kind of juice or power, like electricity. Think of the soul as the electricity that powers up our bodies. This is why I believe reincarnation is crucial to the cycle of life. The body is gone but the spirit goes somewhere and starts again in a new life form.

There is always some truth in legends. Otherwise they wouldn't BE legends to begin with.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Edit: I have to correct something here in this post which is that there is already a term that replaces my made up term "devoid theist." It would be "implicit atheism." Therefore, just replace my made up term with that one.

First off, I am going to explain something about atheism. When babies are born, I don't think we would even refer to them as atheists.
But babies are atheist, they are not theist and therefore atheist.
Atheism is a disbelief in gods. But since these babies would not even have any disbelief at all since they are not even aware that there is no god for them to develop any sense of disbelief in the first place, then I don't think they would even be atheists. We might have to come up with a different term instead. I will just make up a term and call it "devoid theist."
What is the difference?
But where I am getting at with this is that if all human beings were devoid theists, then it wouldn't make any difference if we were atheists. We would still be just as encouraged and motivated to live this one and only life. Therefore, I see no value in realizing that we are all just going to die and not live on in some afterlife. The only value here would be living life in of itself. A devoid theist would find just as much good value and would be just as inspired and motivated to live this one and only life just as an atheist would.

That being the case, it is only this beautiful and great life itself that holds value. Actually, I think people who are devoid theists do have this idea of living forever. If you are unaware of death, then the only thing you are aware of is living. So, in a sense, you would be aware of nothing but living on forever. Therefore, it is the idea of living forever that holds the greatest value for people who are doing just fine in life and are living their good lives. So the greatest life can only be defined as living forever in the lives that we personally deem as the greatest value for us.

But being aware of mortality holds no value. As a matter of fact, there are many people who are depressed, fearful, and have a sense of less good value and worth in their lives knowing that they will just forever die in the end. Why is this? It's not just because of some irrational thought these people are having. It is because fear and depression are natural stress responses. Depression, in addition to being a chemical imbalance or something wrong with the brain, is also a natural stress response to life's stressors. It warns us when something is wrong in our lives that hinders our survival.

Since death obviously hinders are survival, then it is only expected and natural for many people to feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. about the very idea of dying even if it is somehow an irrational stress response. If you were told that by tomorrow you would die from some illness, then it is only natural and expected that you would feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. just as natural as it would be for an atheist to also feel depressed, enraged, fearful, etc. about dying. People who don't feel this way just simply means that their minds are wired differently and just aren't bothered by the idea of dying as an atheist.

Therefore, since being a devoid theist would bring us the greatest lives, then it is mortality that is the problem here since it makes so many people depressed and such. Even if there are many people who just get over that stress, mortality is still a problem for many people. Therefore, it needs to be eliminated through a cure in the future.

Animals all live just perfectly fine not being aware of their death (limited lifespan). As a matter of fact, if one of these animals were to be somehow suddenly aware of their limited life and that they are going to eventually die, then that would only serve to cause them depression, fear, rage, etc. So just as it is with them, we are also better off not being aware of mortality. But at the same time, not being aware of mortality would prevent us from trying to find a cure for it.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
How can you say there is no value in people who don't cling to the belief of a god, or an afterlife, I feel that those who need to believe in a god and the afterlife, are the ones who live a life without values, they miss out on this life that we have, why wast a lifer in the gamble of another life, it makes no sense to me. We are here and Now, we are not in the past or the future, we will always be here, NOW, so enjoy.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
You want to try that in English please. :rolleyes:

No You Don't, You don't know that. It is factually unsubstantiated rhetoric. You have faith, and that is all you have.

Of course. I don't know what I'm talking about. You know my life better than I do and can see what I see. Who are you to say that what they saw wasn't real?

I do have faith although I have more than just that. It's more than what you have.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
How does focusing on a life ''other than'' this one, provide you with hope? Why is the idea of an afterlife so much more appealing to theists than living as best they can...in this life?

I don't focus on the afterlife more than this one. The notion of simply dying and not going anywhere is not only depressing but I don't think it's true. I know the existence of spirits anyway. Life has a cycle so why is the idea of the afterlife having a cycle is implausible? There is energy that sustains us and that energy goes somewhere. It's like matter. It can't be destroyed, only changed.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
If I can just s
I don't focus on the afterlife more than this one. The notion of simply dying and not going anywhere is not only depressing but I don't think it's true. I know the existence of spirits anyway. Life has a cycle so why is the idea of the afterlife having a cycle is implausible? There is energy that sustains us and that energy goes somewhere. It's like matter. It can't be destroyed, only changed.
But that means that you are only believing in what you believe because it gives you hope, it just makes you feel better, if that's the case, you should ask yourself why am I frightened of life.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
First off, I am going to explain something about atheism. When babies are born, I don't think we would even refer to them as atheists. Atheism is a disbelief in gods. But since these babies would not even have any disbelief at all since they are not even aware that there is no god for them to develop any sense of disbelief in the first place, then I don't think they would even be atheists.
The sine qua non of atheism is a lack of belief in God. Some atheists may maintain various other positions on the non-existence or impossibility of Gods, or even militant anti-religious views, but these are add-ons. The single, essential, definitive feature in atheism is non-belief.
Non-belief doesn't develop out of belief in or even awareness of theism. Non-belief is our epistemic default position. Babies, therefore, are atheists. Not "strong" atheists, of course, but basic, "weak" atheists



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