God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

Allegory. In our traditional form of writing, allegory, metaphors, parables, etc. are commonplace. Typically, they are written as if they actually had happened or were about ready to happen.

Even in the early church there was discussion over Jesus' use of parables as to whether they were real events or narratives with symbolic values, and the consensus was they they were the latter. "Revelations" is full of these forms of symbolism.

The importance of the Flood narrative isn't whether it actually happened, but what are the teachings found within the narrative, and those can be rather easily pulled out if one reads them carefully.

A simple reading of Jesus's parables... when names are given, real. Where names are omitted, allegory.

The Flood "allegory" has dozens of facts in Genesis 6-9 including names, duration of events, size and make of boat, types and numbers of species aboard boat, what God commanded Noah to do, when it happened, etc. It's a stretch to say it's poetic or allegorical.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Perhaps. Or we can say something else since time and telescopes, etc. have been found wanting. It's the Cloud of the gap. Also, I think if you were more open-minded, you might not say statements I find inflammatory such as "all the data" supports the Oort Cloud. Not being able to see a Cloud of objects happens to be a big piece of data not in its favor!

And to be fair, an Oort Cloud would shoot lots of holes in MY theories, so yes, I'm vested here. Fortunately, since it remains a hypothesis yet to be testable by seeing the objects within...

 

[outhouse]

The Flood "allegory" has dozens of facts in Genesis 6-9 including names, duration of events, size and make of boat, types and numbers of species aboard boat, what God commanded Noah to do, when it happened, etc. It's a stretch to say it's poetic or allegorical.

Those are not facts.

Its why you cannot substantiate a word you say with any credibility.

 

[outhouse]

A simple reading of Jesus's parables... when names are given, real. Where names are omitted, allegory.

You have no idea what your even talking about, when it comes to allegory in the OT.

Nor mythology or metaphor.

One small example from a 500-700 years later does not dictate how the whole book is read.

 

[outhouse]

Not only does the Bible lack Flood and Creation dates

Because it would have to have happened to have a date.

 

[Curious George]

A simple reading of Jesus's parables... when names are given, real. Where names are omitted, allegory.

The Flood "allegory" has dozens of facts in Genesis 6-9 including names, duration of events, size and make of boat, types and numbers of species aboard boat, what God commanded Noah to do, when it happened, etc. It's a stretch to say it's poetic or allegorical.

Facts which lead to the fact that the boat would not float...at least not during a storm.

 

[Ouroboros]

Didn't read the whole thread but, if it has not been said, nearly all to all of the earth was likely covered in water. However this was a hell of a lot longer than 6k years ago.

True. About 2.5 billion years ago. A very long time before any higher lifeforms existed. I think at that time only microbes existed in the oceans at that point. Not even trees existed for Noah to build an ark from.

 

[metis]

A simple reading of Jesus's parables... when names are given, real. Where names are omitted, allegory.

The Flood "allegory" has dozens of facts in Genesis 6-9 including names, duration of events, size and make of boat, types and numbers of species aboard boat, what God commanded Noah to do, when it happened, etc. It's a stretch to say it's poetic or allegorical.

Not a stretch at all. Such narratives often include names and other bits of information. Plus, if taken literally, it makes not one iota of sense based on what we now know. The difference with Jesus' parables is that they are very brief because there's typically one point he was trying to make. The Flood narrative has many points, thus it is logical that it should be much longer, and if one only looks at it as being literal, they're probably missing some or many of these points. Whether Noah's ark literally existed or not makes not one iota of difference today, but the moral teachings do.

 

[Ouroboros]

I don't recall saying the Canyon is Flood-resultant, and personally find it to be not so. I am saying that it is invalid to say, "If the Canyon is Flood made, how come it is unique?" without first logically considering, "If it is made by common geological processes, why is it unique?"

Every object is unique. Mt Everest is unique, so is Mt Helen. There are thousands of canyons in the world, but it's unique because of its size, not because of its any unique geological process.

 

[metis]

Facts which lead to the fact that the boat would not float...at least not during a storm.

Models indicate without even a load that it won't float, and the exact replica of it that's in Amsterdam harbor they will not take out because they don't believe it'll stay upright.

 

[Ouroboros]

My understanding is despite searching via different varieties of telescopes and etc. that the number of objects is disappointing. By a scale of 10,000% (100 times) there aren't enough objects to sustain a very old solar system. The 100th factor does sustain a younger solar system (that could still be millions, not 6,000 years old).

That just doesn't make sense.

If it's the number of objects, how about 22 sixtillion stars? A majority of them hundred times larger than our sun. If it's the size and number that should convince you, then that should most definitely be enough.

 

[Ouroboros]

A simple reading of Jesus's parables... when names are given, real. Where names are omitted, allegory.

The Flood "allegory" has dozens of facts in Genesis 6-9 including names, duration of events, size and make of boat, types and numbers of species aboard boat, what God commanded Noah to do, when it happened, etc. It's a stretch to say it's poetic or allegorical.

Ok. So then you can tell me how many species were there and when it happened. I'm not sure I can get that from the text, but you say you can. So I'm curious. How many species were there, and exactly when did this event happen?

 

[metis]

Ok. So then you can tell me how many species were there and when it happened. I'm not sure I can get that from the text, but you say you can. So I'm curious. How many species were there, and exactly when did this event happen?

Plus who supposedly recorded this event since it deals with supposed events before we Jews even had writing.

 

[David M]

My understanding is despite searching via different varieties of telescopes and etc. that the number of objects is disappointing. By a scale of 10,000% (100 times) there aren't enough objects to sustain a very old solar system. The 100th factor does sustain a younger solar system (that could still be millions, not 6,000 years old).

Then your understanding is false, even with the most modern telescopes the number of objects found so far is encouraging not disappointing. Objects that far out are incredibly difficult to detect and no probe has yet got far enough out to return any images.

Its going to about 5 years before future telescopes such as the LSST are on line that are capable of really looking out into the Oort cloud and even those are going to have trouble spotting such small and distant objects (and its going to have other tasks as well), however astronomers are going to keep looking because they do keep finding new Oort Cloud objects.

 

[shawn001]

And it's been downhill ever since.

2nd law of thermodynamics and entrophy.

 

[shawn001]

10,000-year-old house uncovered outside Jerusalem
With range of dramatic finds in excavations ahead of highway expansion, archaeologists trace 10 millennia of human development

10,000-year-old house uncovered outside Jerusalem | The Times of Israel

 

[outhouse]

You know what is really sad here. Its not POE.

 

[.kaleb]

Who said that God had anything to with writing the book of Genesis?

2 Timothy 3:16,17, & 2 Peter 1:21 explains Gods involvement in the holy scriptures. But with regards evidence of Gods involvement in Genesis and the entire bible, well the evidence is available on a number of levels. Historicity, scientifically, archaeologically, and prophetically I have come to the conclusion from the evidence God most certainly did inspire men to record what he wanted recorded for our prosperity. If after considering the evidence you come to a different conclusion, well that's your business.

 

[.kaleb]

Allegory. In our traditional form of writing, allegory, metaphors, parables, etc. are commonplace. Typically, they are written as if they actually had happened or were about ready to happen.

Even in the early church there was discussion over Jesus' use of parables as to whether they were real events or narratives with symbolic values, and the consensus was they they were the latter. "Revelations" is full of these forms of symbolism.

The importance of the Flood narrative isn't whether it actually happened, but what are the teachings found within the narrative, and those can be rather easily pulled out if one reads them carefully.

Allegory...well that raises then a few controversies that you would have to reconcile.
1/Genesis 6:13 After that God said to Noah: " I have decided to put an end to all flesh, because the earth is full of violence on account of them, so I am bringing them to ruin together with the earth.
Genesis 7:4 For in just seven days, I will make it rain on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights, and I will wipe from the surface of the ground every living thing that I have made.
Was God just venting or making a threat he had no intention in carrying out?
Can God lie?

2/ we are told that Noah spent perhaps 50 years building a huge floating vessel of approximately 40,000 cubic metres for the survival of his family and a few animals. Why would this be recorded in such detail if it were mere allegory?

3/ we have the eye witness account of Jesus, who personally witnessed the event.
Matthew 24:37-39 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
Now if this was all mere allegory, Jesus words would have no real meaning or relevance, but if his words are true, and he claims to be the beginning of Gods creation, and thus has seen all of human history, how can you reconcile this account with it being just an allegory?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No, it was space aliens what done it.