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Muslim toss Christians into the sea to drown.

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Muslim migrants arrested for allegedly throwing Christians into sea after brawl | Fox News

Muslim migrants arrested for allegedly throwing Christians into sea after brawl
Published April 17, 2015FoxNews.com

April 15, 2015: Migrants arrive at Palermo harbor in Italy, after being rescued at sea. (AP Photo/Alessandro Fucarini)
Italian police said Thursday that 15 African Muslim migrants have been arrested after witnesses said the refugees threw 12 Christians into the Mediterranean following a brawl.

Palermo police told the Associated Press that they had learned of the assault while interviewing tearful survivors from Nigeria and Ghana who had arrived in the city Wednesday morning after being rescued at sea by the ship Ellensborg.



The 15 were accused of multiple homicide aggravated by religious hatred, police said in a statement.

The survivors said they had boarded a rubber boat April 14 on the Libyan coast with 105 passengers aboard, part of the wave of migrants taking advantage of calm seas and warm weather to make the risky crossing from Libya, where most smuggling operations originate.

During the crossing, the migrants from Nigeria and Ghana — believed to be Christians — were threatened with being abandoned at sea by some 15 other passengers from the Ivory Coast, Senegal, Mali and Guinea Bissau.

Eventually the threat was carried out and 12 were pushed overboard. The statement said the motive was that the victims "professed the Christian faith while the aggressors were Muslim."

The surviving Christians, the statement said, only managed to stay on board by forming a "human chain" to resist the assault.

The shocking accusation comes amid an unprecedented surge of migrants from Africa to Europe in recent days. Sky News reports that the Italian Coast Guard has said that 10,000 people have been pulled from rickety boats in the Mediterranean. Another 400 are believed to have drowned off the coast of Libya.


Earlier Thursday, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) said four migrants who were picked up in recent days by the Italian Navy reported a shipwreck to aid workers after arriving in the Italian port of Trapani Thursday. Their boat had originally been carrying 45 people; the others are presumed dead.

The IOM said the migrants — two Nigerians, a Ghanaian and one Nigerien — were found floating in the sea by a helicopter and were rescued by the Italian Naval ship Foscari. They had left Tripoli in Libya on Saturday and stayed adrift for four days. The location of the rescue was not immediately known.

The Associated Press contributed to this report
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Such violent hatred from muslims towards Christians.
I have a very difficult time understanding the understanable.
Perhaps some members here from the Islamic faith can help me to understand the motivation for such
evil and murder?
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
The survivors just ruined their "new life" that they paid themselves sick to illegally get themselves to Italy as well as killed some people who were literally on the same boat as they were.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
Sad. But it is revealing that it broke down along sectarian lines. There can be serious consequences to religious supremacy.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Amazing ... so they killed fellow illegal aliens trying to get into Europe, apparently trying to get into Italy, because they were Christians and not Muslims.

How sick is this? So, let us say they got away with these murders and got into Italy to stay ...

... but Italy has a LOT of Christians. So, why are they trying to get into Italy if they want to kill Christians? I mean, think about it. They would have to spend all their time killing, because why stop with who was on your boat?

So why try to go into Italy at all? The only reason would be, they want to kill Christians, but they like their money. They like that, and I suppose if they don't get that money one way or another, they will make excuses in their heads as to reasons why to kill Christians faster.

They are nothing but looters and terrorists.

I think they should be held as terrorists, and hung to the death on the beaches. IMHO.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
So let me understand. You are giving them reasons to come on a boat into Italy already in murder mode and certainly reasons to kill more Christians because ... of some disputable things that happened 1000 years ago. Which no one in Italy today was alive then.

I have ancestors who were Kings of Jerusalem and entered as invading Christians.

What does that have to do with me? I am a Hindu.

About the same time frame, Muslim invaders were invading India and mass murdering Hindus and raping women. Exactly the same time Christians invaded Jerusalem.

And?

But that is a good excuse, 1000 years ago Christians did sumething, a good reason why illegal alien looters and terrorists today should get on a boat, illegally try to get into Italy while throwing all Christian illegal aliens from like miserable nations off the boat into the sea, hating Christians but trying to get into where there are even MORE Christians they can hate to get free bread or something while looking for a chance to kill more if and when, and ...

... and I should be standing on the beach with my daughter in front of me to "greet" them with tears flowing down my face all flush, saying "Please forgive me! whaaa, whaaa (tears pouring out of my eyes), my ancestors, those Christian monsters of ShivaFan, invaded Jerusalem 1000 years ago and set themselves up as Kings, maybe one of them raped someone, and ... whaaa!! whaa! I AM GUILTY! Here, here is my Hindu daughter! please kill her! We are not worthy, please more of you horde in and KILL! KILL! KILL!"

... huh?

Screw that crap. I am guilty of nothing. Squash these poisonous cockroaches.
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
Such violent hatred from muslims towards Christians.
I have a very difficult time understanding the understanable.
Perhaps some members here from the Islamic faith can help me to understand the motivation for such
evil and murder?

The underlaying issue is generally always regarding what is good and evil as fact instead of opinion. This leads to pushing emotions aside, so that people coldheartedly calculate based on the facts about what is good and evil. The calculations turned out to throw the Christians overboard. So it's not so much that these muslims disagreed with christianity, or thought less of it, it is that they had factual certainty Islam is right and Christianity is wrong.

In democracies there is a good anti-dote against knowledge of good and evil, which is the freedom of opinion protected by law. Regardless if anybody asserts as fact what is good and evil, in the democracy it will be interpreted as opinion, not fact. However freedom of opinion is interpreted by many people as "anything goes", including having factual knowledge about good and evil goes. So it is very double that the sin of knowledge of good and evil is endemic in democracies because of the freedom of opinion, but the freedom of opinion in democracy keeps the sin in check also. Still, one should focus more on establishing freedom of opinion in destitute countries, rather than focusing on economics.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
What in your post excuses murder?
You are blaming democracy for a reason to commit murder?
You alude to freedom of opinion and economics as a reason or excuse murder?
You wrote "very double that the sin of knowledge of good and evil is endemic in democracies because of the freedom of opinion, but the freedom of opinion in democracy keeps the sin in check ".
What has any of that to do with tossing humans into the ocean?
What does " freedom of opinion protected by law" have to do with murdering people of any religion or lack of religion?
You wrote "factual certainty Islam is right and Christianity is wrong". Is that a motive to murder other humans?
Would that reasoning be a motive to murder anyone not muslim?
 

Baladas

An Págánach
This is disgusting.
Foolish people with blind and idiotic motives murdering for asinine reasons.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
This is very sad and in my opinion it just goes to prove why our world is in great need of more religious tolerance. There is far too much hatred based on religion in this world.

I do have a question, though, for anyone who would like to answer. Do you feel that believing one religion is superior to all other religions leads to hatred of followers of other religions? If so, why?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
The underlaying issue is generally always regarding what is good and evil as fact instead of opinion. This leads to pushing emotions aside, so that people coldheartedly calculate based on the facts about what is good and evil. The calculations turned out to throw the Christians overboard. So it's not so much that these muslims disagreed with christianity, or thought less of it, it is that they had factual certainty Islam is right and Christianity is wrong.

Does Islam have laws against murder?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Then thats a problem.

Yeah, kinda like the problems in your religion's so-called "holy texts." Go read the Old Testament—which most Christians do believe to have been a revelation from their god—before commenting on other religions' problems.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I wonder what caused this fight. Did they plan it before the voyage or was it some fight aboard that caused them to split and the dominant side started to murder the others?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Yeah, kinda like the problems in your religion's so-called "holy texts." Go read the Old Testament—which most Christians do believe to have been a revelation from their god—before commenting on other religions' problems.

The OT is a history of a nation. Its not a commission for us to do anything... its a record of events of what happened in the past.

I think you'll find that Muslims view the Qurans ancient directives as a commission and directive for them to live by today. No Christian alive today believes that they must follow the directives given to the ancient isrealites when they were entering the promised land.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The OT is a history of a nation. Its not a commission for us to do anything... its a record of events of what happened in the past.

I think you'll find that Muslims view the Qurans ancient directives as a commission and directive for them to live by today. No Christian alive today believes that they must follow the directives given to the ancient isrealites when they were entering the promised land.

So you don't believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old or that homosexuality is a sin? That's good to know.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
So you don't believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old or that homosexuality is a sin? That's good to know.

no, i dont believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

But yes, homosexuality is a sin.

What has either got to do with the thread.... im lost???
 
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