Towards A Common Goal (soul, creation, mission, Satan, God)

[Boop]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends,
The confusion throughout mankind has been that the goal of us humans has not been defined by all. Each one has different meanings of the same goal.

We each have different meanings within our chosen field. I once thought hypocricy was a big no-no until someone explained to me that it wasn't what someone said but what they did. Just because they say it doesn't mean they'd do it.

Originally Posted by zenzero

YES, when we all understand that where are we going, why are we into religion?
If the answere is the same a concensus arrived then all differnces disappear and then all can join forces to create a global energy field which keeps the light burning and more lights lit by the same fire.

Everyone need sustenance, is that the common denominator?

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends, only in being awake that answeres come, awakening is the same as been just awake. like twilight, no hurryness. So many words but still difficult to get the message across in languages no doubt truth when spoken does not remain so. Evident everyday here or anywhere.
We are all parts of the same and only by serious meditation can one go deeper into the centre of oneself when the self is no more but becomes a part of the whole.

I think that is called 'Ego loss' where we lose our sense of individuality and feel like we belong to a greater cause where individual action is meaningless.

Originally Posted by zenzero

Here too the journey just begins the actual birth takes place called rebirth by some. For the first time the man really starts to live life, live life in harmony. a real sense of timelessness, nothingness etc is felt but not yet achived. Here on the mind is no more able to disturb to create any barriers as the light enters the darkness disappears.
Till this age man reached the state in solitude, alone [yes it will always be so but with a difference- difference been the flowering could now be in large numbers.]
Man has evolved for centuries now to have a bigger pool of people who are now ready and if such a force is available here what better fortitude for mankind.
Love & rgds

It's the best parts of Socialism I agree.

[zenzero]

Friend Boop,
Each individual mind percieves the same thing in differnt ways and so the differences in views.
If one understood religion and practiced it then sustence is already taken care of by existence would have been realised and if the socialism is in relation to all of existence then it surely is so. Death itself is proof of that socialism.
Ego-loss? yes the way you have understood is right but with a slight variation that when the individual itself is no more where is the question of individual action or not?
Love & rgds

[autonomous1one1]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends,

Suggest that since it is important for any sangha for members to understand each other keeping the sangha's goal in mind then the real transmission between members happens in a faster and smoother manner.

The goal as understood and written in all the posts remains
MERGING OF THE INDIVIDUAL ENERGY WITH THE UNIVERSAL ENERGY
the word ENERGY could be replaced with SOUL.

Request all friends to write the goal as understood by them.

Most times though many would be having the same understanding but the words used could differ and creating differences and so the idea is to merge the common factors and put it into one thread and proceed further towards the goal. Love & rgds

Greetings friend Zenzero. If my understanding is correct, your OP expresses the most important goal and surely is worthy of more continual discussion. IMO it is very well put as is, and not sure that my thoughts do justice to such a lofty OP. My basic feeling is that once human words are used we are wrong. However, here are some ideas for consideration.

My own expressions put forward in other posts have used such wording for the finite as the following: realization of our identity with the source of all being, realizing oneness with the ground of being or with God, subject and object merge to one, or union with God. The first two avoid implications of duality (e.g., individual soul and universal soul) although the last two imply a duality of sorts such as a finite human that unites with God (interpretedly, two separate things). Some say that all these statements are made 'from below' - that is, from the perspective of the finite within space and time - and this may actually be misleading for the uninitiated. Thus, some form a statement 'from above.' That is, from the perspective of the One realized to be the way it actually is after the goal is reached. Such statements might take the form of 'realization of God's reunion with God within human consciousness, or even more direct 'My realization of Myself in all.' Some try to add statements from below with statements from above to give a more complete meaning.

Anyway, personally, my thought is that your statement is great so could not really propose changing anything. These thoughts for consideration are merely for discussion.

Best Wishes

[zenzero]

Friend autonomous1one1,
Sorry to return to the forum afte months [though time is immemorial on the horizontal plane]
What you have written is much the same thing except using a differnt language.
The mere difference could be in your use of the words * MY/I.*
In as much as I have gone deeper to find myself have yet to find * ME/I* So for me its just an individual energy though in one perspective it is already merged with the universal energy but since the BODY/MIND is still functioning and at times the seperatedness appears.
The goal is there when the mind is there or else there is no goal. The whole thing is just a play * MAYA*.
more as we go along.
Love & rgds

[autonomous1one1]

Thanks for the comment, zenzero. Never too late.

[zenzero]

AUTONOMOUS1one1
The quote you have mentioned and the one below besides others; still clearly defines the goal as seperate from the object. True but still untrue. If the understanding grows that everything came out of Nothing and finally goes back to that same Nothing it is automatically realised thatwhat we see are just a PLAY it is not a reality in its true form as the seen and the seer are there till they are TWo; when the MERGe []become ONE] the SEER and the SEEN is no more.
Love & rgds

*Religion is the state of being grasped by an ultimate concern, a concern which qualifies all other concerns as preliminary and which itself contains the answer to the question of a meaning of our life. *
Paul Tillich

[autonomous1one1]

Originally Posted by zenzero

AUTONOMOUS1one1
The quote you have mentioned and the one below besides others; still clearly defines the goal as seperate from the object. True but still untrue. ..... when the MERGe []become ONE] the SEER and the SEEN is no more.
Love & rgds

*Religion is the state of being grasped by an ultimate concern, a concern which qualifies all other concerns as preliminary and which itself contains the answer to the question of a meaning of our life. *
Paul Tillich

Yes zenzero, my thoughts agree with you and thank you for your insight. The quote of Tillich is written for the perspective of the finite. Your words seem good to me. What would you think about the following statement - the Infinite (God, Ground of Being, Source of Creation, etc.) realizes itself within human awareness?

[zenzero]

AUTO__________,
Lets see it this way.
Out of Nothing came both forms/no forms.
Forms evolved to humankind [as we know]
The mind too evolved till humans.
Difference between human mind and other mind?
Human mind can transend and MERGE with the very source which is NOTHING [ to start with].
That point the SEER and the SEEN the creator and the creation beocmes ONE no gap remains. The human is no more human [just in form it may appear]
For EVERYONE; the above is true except the understanding in them and them moving towards this merger.
It can happen gradually by evolution i.e. each birth the mind [desires] gets fulfilled till the mind itself completees all desires and fall off like a ripe leaf of a tree and the NO-MIND remains or Revolutionary when the individual understand sthe futulity of going the whole hog slowly and drops the mind in this life time only. Zen so focuses on HERE-NOW.
AUTO_____,
forget that you exist as anything not even human but just a NOTHING and the flow takes care of everything thereon.
Love & rgds

[zenzero]

AUTO______,
Just a small BUT very DISTINCT point.
You state * my thoughts agree*
Let questions arise out of the BEINg not the very MIND which needs to be STILLED.
U may ask how?
Just go deeper and deeper into each thoughts till they emerge as part of your being till you find that you are no more thinking about it emerges out on its own.
If at any point you are not able to go deeper; just drop it and take it up when it comes on its own. AT any time it should be effortless. If there is an effort means it is the MIND working and not your being.
Love & rgds