Zen and metaphysics (Jesus Christ, salvation, tradition, Buddhism, Mary)

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Originally Posted by koan

Unfortunatey you're not right about being able to answer a koan. If there wern't answers, why are there so many of them? Also, the answer the student gives, is an indication of their progress. Some say there are no right or wrong anwers, this is true, though how it is answered is the crux.

You will actually find that I said there is no one definitive absolutely correct answer to the Koans, which there isn't. Sure, there are many answers but if you can't understand what I'm saying about using the Koans to exhaust the students of all mentation, then you shouldn't post saying that I am wrong when I am not.

[MysticSang'ha]

*gets tub of popcorn out*



I love it when I can learn about my own faith. This is great!



I mean that with all sincerity. I'll chime in if I think it's necessary. Victor, you're asking some fantabulous questions.



Peace,
Mystic

[koan]

My oppologies Godlike

[zenzero]

Too much of noises here.
Zen master could find the use of his stick.

Whatever be the way [each religion is but a way] the goal remains the same. Cease thinking, drop the mind. How does one know that the mind has dropped? when one hears the ONE HAND CLAP.
Till then no discussion only MEDITATION which is the ONLY way.
It is only by silencing the mind that it can be dropped.
The reflection of the moon is clearly visible when there are no ripples in the lake.
No effort can stop the ripples. Just by allowing nature to do it likwise let nature silence the mind be only an OBSERVER.

Love & rgds

[Engyo]

Sorry - that is a form that does not resonate with me. I would not be a Buddhist if that were the only way I could practice.

I am happy that you have found your way, but I do not subscribe to your notion that yours is the ONLY way.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Too much of noises here.
Zen master could find the use of his stick.

Whatever be the way [each religion is but a way] the goal remains the same. Cease thinking, drop the mind. How does one know that the mind has dropped? when one hears the ONE HAND CLAP.
Till then no discussion only MEDITATION which is the ONLY way.
It is only by silencing the mind that it can be dropped.
The reflection of the moon is clearly visible when there are no ripples in the lake.
No effort can stop the ripples. Just by allowing nature to do it likwise let nature silence the mind be only an OBSERVER.

Love & rgds

Aren't you contributing to the noise yourself? Ah... paradox.

[koan]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Too much of noises here.
Zen master could find the use of his stick.

Whatever be the way [each religion is but a way] the goal remains the same. Cease thinking, drop the mind. How does one know that the mind has dropped? when one hears the ONE HAND CLAP.
Till then no discussion only MEDITATION which is the ONLY way.
It is only by silencing the mind that it can be dropped.
The reflection of the moon is clearly visible when there are no ripples in the lake.
No effort can stop the ripples. Just by allowing nature to do it likwise let nature silence the mind be only an OBSERVER.

Love & rgds

A monk once asked his master, 'M aster what is the way?' the master replied, 'Everyday mind is the way' Only meditation or sitting , is a Soto zen view and I believe it to be a corruption of what dogen actually meant. As with the stick when one is about to speak, so as to cut of coceptual thinking, Dogens, Just sit, is meant the same way.

[zenzero]

As many ways as many leaves on all the trees on earth.
The goal is one which is akin to Zen/ dyana/meditation.
The state of every being [forms or no forms]
The state budhhas are.
Each religion leads to the same state.
Noise means confusion.
remove it to focus on the goal
and develop the understanding.
All responses are from the mind.
The goal is when the same mind ceases.
How to cease it should be the response?
Love & rgds