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#21
02-22-2007, 11:55 PM
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What causes you to search for enlightment?
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#22
02-28-2007, 03:17 AM
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When I am not present, were does this cause and effect come from?
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#23
02-28-2007, 05:04 AM
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Ah, the famous who am I
here is my answer 
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David It's like a finger pointing at the moon...... Look at the moon stupid 
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#24
02-28-2007, 05:14 AM
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Quote:
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell Namaste, Engyo
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#25
02-28-2007, 05:45 AM
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It's no wonder people are unenlightened - you all make it such a puzzle.
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I have never agreed with my other self wholly. The truth of the matter seems to lie between us. - Khalil Gibran Brad Chat 
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#26
02-28-2007, 06:19 AM
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Sorry, I didn't make it a puzzle - that's the way it really is. It might be nice to live in a simple world, but the fact is that we don't. So, if I want to be able to understand the way things work, and be able to live in accordance with those ways, I must embrace the complexity. Of course, I can choose not to, but then I lose the efficiency of living in harmony with the way life and the world functions.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell Namaste, Engyo
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#27
03-02-2007, 04:05 PM
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The main essense of enlightenment is formed around Emptiness and its implications. These really have to be experienced and not just known.
The realisation, that everything is empty, the realisation that eveything is conditioned. There is a type of formula, which goes: We exist; we don't exist; we both exist and don't exist; we niether exist or don't exist. This is sumed up in the Mahayana, Heart sutra. Emptiness is form, form is emptiness. Penetration of these concepts will bring about enlightenment. This being said, Zen aims to point directly to this through such means as Koans and depending on the school shouts and other methods. If one could just say , OK this is enlightenment, no one would believe it. Englightenment is an experience which must be realised. 
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David It's like a finger pointing at the moon...... Look at the moon stupid
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#28
03-16-2007, 12:11 PM
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Sorry for the delay in responding :
someone said, that as I move menas I am present and so cause and effect remains. Please understand that Budhha too moved from village to village but left no cause and effect. When the mind is dropped the causes too drops and so there are no effects. The body is nature. Like any being it gets something eatable to keep the body going till nature wants it too. When nature has no requirement for the being it dies and changes form. Love & rgds
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#29
03-16-2007, 12:23 PM
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ZZ -
Careful with that dropped mind there - loss of mindfulness can get you run over by a bus or worse.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell Namaste, Engyo
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#30
03-16-2007, 12:32 PM
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doesn't matter.
Only the form will change. Till everything returns to its original form. Otherhand with the mind dropped nature takes over and does what is needed. Love & rgds
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