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Old 10-24-2005, 02:36 AM
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That, coupled with the 'no show' of any gods, angels, etc. for thousands of years will make people realize that gods are just all human inventions.
I love this site. It is so interesting to read how people follow these old ideals and scriptures, and how amazingly blind they follow these beliefs.
On one hand, I find it scarey how people can imagine such ideas, seemly invented and supported by themselves.
Well, I just saw some spirits yesterday, so the no show day count for my is only 1 day. I don't follow my faith blindly. And I'm sure few people here follow thier faith blindly. And one question. What is so scary about people following a religion?
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:41 AM
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Well, I just saw some spirits yesterday, so the no show day count for my is only 1 day. I don't follow my faith blindly. And I'm sure few people here follow thier faith blindly. And one question. What is so scary about people following a religion?
He doesn't. So others shouldn't.

He needs to feel enlightened. He believes his atheism is enlightenment, just as the gnostics feel they are enlightened, just as the Buddhists or the Muslims think they are... He just hasn't realised yet, that there is no enlightenment to be had.

Enlightenment doesn't exist. There is wisdom, there is knowledge and there is the successful application of each. Everything else is just an idea or the lack thereof.
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Old 10-24-2005, 06:11 PM
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Darkdale, I agree with:

Enlightenment doesn't exist. There is wisdom, there is knowledge and there is the successful application of each.

I don't have any enlightenment, only a scientific knowledge and wisdom, that I successfully apply in life and choose to put forward in comment.

Luke Wold saw spirits??? That's what's scarey!! Somepeople hear spirits (voices in their head) telling him to commit crimes.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:57 AM
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Enlightenment doesn't exist. There is wisdom, there is knowledge and there is the successful application of each. Everything else is just an idea or the lack thereof.[/QUOTE]
Allow me to disagree, Dark one . I believe enlightenment does exist and is seems to correspond to a state of temporal status epilepticus, ie: a state of permanent seizure.
This type of seizure seems to create an expanded consciousness among those experiencing it. The enlightened are not limited to 3.5 dimensions but experience multiple dimensions. Time and distance become meaningless and yogis experience past, present and future as a homogenous now. It is pure bliss. It is beyond God.

Inducing this type of seizure is goal and entire purpose of the Eastern and mystical religions.

Shanti, shanti, shanti.
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Old 10-25-2005, 12:53 PM
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I don't believe in that Seyorni; I'm sorry. I've just never experienced anything that would give me the impression that enlightenment was possible. It seems to me that the quest for "enlightenment" is a product of narcissism, but I could be very wrong. Obviously I don't know everything about anything.
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Time and distance become meaningless and yogis experience past, present and future ...
Unless, of course, they don't. Do you have any testable evidence from someone who has experienced the future?
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Your assessments of my post are quite correct, Darkdale & Deut. I'm extremely skeptical of anyone outside the theoretical physics and hallucinogen-using communities lending any credence to my bizarre philosophy. I'm afraid most of my supporters are uncritical bliss-ninnys.

You have to have been there....
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Hi all,

I'm sure the creation in our mind, of a holy god is just humans way to try to answer the mysteries of the universe.

I am sure in thousands of years, religion will be diminished. Simply because we will understand so much of the natural world that religous arguements for the presence of a magic being in the sky will be defunct.

That, coupled with the 'no show' of any gods, angels, etc. for thousands of years will make people realize that gods are just all human inventions.

I love this site. It is so interesting to read how people follow these old ideals and scriptures, and how amazingly blind they follow these beliefs.

On one hand, I find it scarey how people can imagine such ideas, seemly invented and supported by themselves.

On the other hand, I understand it is natural for us to create the idea of a god. Ancient greeks that many, so did the egyptians. Hindus still have over 1000 gods today.

So, I will try not to worry and just realize that it will take a really really long time for people to realize the errors of believing old wives tales, ghost stories and religions.
Why do we have the instinct to worship a higher power if no higher power exists?
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Why do we have the instinct to worship a higher power if no higher power exists?
I think the answer will be 'because you think you need one'. Atheists (I am sure)believe that God is a construct of man; much like a baby's dummy.........

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I don't like the way Christians sin, and then believe a simple confession makes it all ok (yes...I KNOW how it all works).
No you don't; you know how some Christians behave..........
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