Non-magick Wiccans (ritual, tradition, religion, shaman, witchcraft)

[Prima]

I was using it to describe those who were drawn to it because it's 'cool' and because they want to be different than all of their friends, or because they're tired of Christianity and are just using it as...</rant>

[Circle_One]

I was using the term as a means of describing those kids who claim to be Wiccan because they were drawn to it from the sensationalizing the media has done to it, but really they have no knowledge of the religion at all.

Ex. Someone who claims to be Wiccan, but only chooses to be so, so they can perform "love" spells and such. When infact Wiccans don't perform love spells as it manipulates the free will of others and this is against the Wiccan rede.

[Circle_One]

Prima, I do believe you and I have many of the same gripes and rants with regards to sensationalized Wicca and its' fluffy followers.

[kreeden]

Originally Posted by Circle_One

infact Wiccans don't perform love spells as it manipulates the free will of others and this is against the Wiccan rede.

That is good to hear Circle One . I'm not so sure that it can be said for all Wiccans though , but it is good to hear that there are those who respect the will of others .

[Circle_One]

Originally Posted by kreeden

That is good to hear Circle One . I'm not so sure that it can be said for all Wiccans though , but it is good to hear that there are those who respect the will of others .

Those who claim to perform specific love spells on a specific person are then not truly Wiccan Kreeden. Performing a love spell targeting a specific person goes against the Wiccan Rede "An' it harm none, do what ye will." This doesn't only mean physical harm. Tampering with someone else's free will is causing just as much harm as casting a curse on someone or physically harming someone.

If they claim to perform love spells, they are either lying about actually doing it, or are infact, not truly Wiccan.

[kreeden]

I would tend to agree with your interpretation of the Rede , Circle One . But when you come right down to it , that is what it is , an interpretation . Isn't it ?

Now , I don't mean to get into a debate over what a Wiccan is , or isn't . I am just glad that there are those who use Magic , and still respect the will of others .

[Circle_One]

I would almost guarentee that 95% of Wiccans will tell you they won't perform love spells because it is manipulating the free will of others and that is against their rede. I wouldn't say it is an interpretation Kreeden, it just is what it is. The Rede doesn't only mean physical harm to others, it also means emotional harm--which encompasses manipulation of free will. The other 5% of Wiccans who tell you they do perform love spells, are those that decided they wanted to be Wiccan because the Craft made it look so "cool."

Manipulating someone's free will also brings about bad karma because you are not allowing said person to live freely, but instead by your standards and desires. Wiccan (and most any other Pagan religion) try to live by dishing out only good karma. Manipulating free will not only goes against the Wiccan Rede, but also against the Karmic or Three-fold Law.

[Circle_One]

I am just glad that there are those who use Magic , and still respect the will of others .

More often than not, all Wiccan and Pagan religions respect the will of others moreso than other people because we believe we are equal to all other beings, whether they be people, animals, plants, minerals, spirits, etc. And so we practice our Magick with that very equality in mind.

[Fluffy]

Thankyou to everyone for your replies to this. What originally drove me from being a practicing Wicca was my inability to find any sort of Wicca which promoted a non-magick religion. Since I did not believe in magick (at least not in the sense in which I felt the majority of Wiccans believed), I felt disillusioned with my religion even though I knew that there were a few Wiccans who didn't believe in magick. It is very comforting to know that it is not as uncommon as I first thought.

Careful with the derrogatory use of fluff!! :P

I'd be happy to nose around and see if I can find an informative book or website about Wicca sans magick.

Thanks very much for the offer and I'd be happy to read anything you happen to know about the subject but don't go out of your way to nose around or I'll feel bad .

And thanks once again, this has helped me feel better with a problem that has been niggling me at the back of my mind for the better part of 2 years now .