What do all Wiccan's believe? (Earth, beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Mike182]

ok, the New Forest Coven!

Rudolf Hess is a German guy, leading figure in the Nazi party, adviser to Hitler himself, and an occultist.

Ian Flemming plays a big role in Naval Intelligence during the war, and he got the fun task of spreading false information and rumor to leak through to the Germans. given that Hess was an occultist, he talked to many English occultists, like Gardner, Crowley etc. to get decent information on the sort of rituals occultists use.

after researching it all, in the spring of 1941, Flemming stages an event at New Forest where he got 12 marines to get robed up in black sheets with lots of masonic symbolism on them to do a ritual. i don't know the specific ritual that they did, something that involved a magic mirror, a dummy of Hitler and a lot of chanting...

[MaddLlama]

So, then New Forest was a hoax? What's the connection with Gardner and Clutterbuck?

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

So, then New Forest was a hoax? What's the connection with Gardner and Clutterbuck?

Clutterbuck is the woman Gardner claimed initiated him into witchcraft... he claimed that she was part of the New Forest Coven, but no evidence has ever been produced to support that.

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by Mike182

Clutterbuck is the woman Gardner claimed initiated him into witchcraft... he claimed that she was part of the New Forest Coven, but no evidence has ever been produced to support that.

Hmm.

Do you know if he knew Crowley before this?

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Hmm.

Do you know if he knew Crowley before this?

erm, let me think.... Crowley initiated Gardner into the OTO, but i don't know when that was...