Wiccans and witches (gnostic, pagan, worship, faith, God)

[Pardus]

Originally Posted by Circle_One

We will have to agree to disagree on the first point because I know many Wiccans who practice Wicca, but do not practice Magick, so as Turk said, logically that would make them Wiccans, but not Witches.

Calling quarters is magic, invoking the god and goddess is magic, even marking the outline of a circle with the elements is magic, even wearing a penagram involves magic.

And if they don't do any of these, then how in hell do they celebrate the sabbats and esbats?

Originally Posted by Circle_One

And yes, the main tenet of Dianic Wicca is female empowerment, but their main Goddess takes the representation of Diana.

And forgetting masculine energies, creating unbalence, in the end being worse than the patriarchal religions they are rebelling against, yup i'll loudly voice my contempt for them.

[Feathers in Hair]

I've heard two definitions of Dianic tradition- one is the 'goddess- only' tradition that Pardus describes. The other is a blanket term for those paths that have no level systems or strict hierarchy.

[Enigmata]

Originally Posted by Pardus

Calling quarters is magic, invoking the god and goddess is magic, even marking the outline of a circle with the elements is magic, even wearing a penagram involves magic.

And if they don't do any of these, then how in hell do they celebrate the sabbats and esbats?

And forgetting masculine energies, creating unbalence, in the end being worse than the patriarchal religions they are rebelling against, yup i'll loudly voice my contempt for them.

Well, because this isn't a debate thread I will have to say that we disagree on what the definition of the word magick is. I would be glad to debate you on this in another thread if you like but for now, like I said, we will just have to disagree.
To answer your question though, I celebrate the esbats and sabbats by doing ritual and having a nice dinner. In my opinion there was no magick involved. The few that I have participated in with my companion I would have to say that the dinners were very close to magickal though .

[jeffrey]

Nicely said, Turk. Frubals to you in the morning when I got more to pass out.

[Evenstar]

Wiccan can be many paths.... NOT all leading to practicing magick.

Even though in my past I have practiced magick

Now my path is more spiritual, and dont feel the need to practice magick.

[kreeden]

I agree with Jeffery . Frudals to you Turk for refusing to allow another to define life for you .

{ BTW our definations of Magic differ too ... oh well }