Vedanta and science (Buddhism, reincarnation, followers, translation, evolution)

[mahesh]

The best way to serve man is become one with Brahman and serve Parbrahman. You cant become Parbrahman He is one and the master of all Jeevs and inumberable universes.

[xexon]

I understand what you are saying, but it ultimately reflects itself in duality.

The ParaBrahman is indeed a single force, and all of creation is just an extension of that, but to think oneself seperate from it is still duality.

The taproot of our souls go all the way to the highest level. As we approach that level, we lose our individuality, but not our connection to the ParaBrahma.

Can a human express the ParaBrahman? No, because of the limitations of the human body and mind. But it doesn't mean the connection is ever broken.

It just can't be expressed.

So Brahman is the best we can do in the eyes of our peers.


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[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by mahesh

The best way to serve man is become one with Brahman and serve Parbrahman. You cant become Parbrahman He is one and the master of all Jeevs and inumberable universes.

I, of course, do not agree to the heirarchy. Ishwara, Brahman, and Parabrahman, are there more intermediate designations? It seems like one is telling about the structure of military services. II Leutinant, leutinant, Major, Lt. Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier, Major General, Leutinant General, General, Field Marshal. And for you, Swami Sahajanand, a.k.a. Ghanshyam Pande, son of Hari Prasad Pande and Premavati, of Village Chhapaiya, District Faizabad, Uttar Pradesh, at the top.

In 'Advaita', there is only one, Brahman, he requires neither any service nor any worship. Brahman is complete in itself. Mundaka Upanishad says, 'In darkness are those who worship the manifest, in greater darkness are those who who worship the unmanifest'.

[mahesh]

You can agree with whatever you will. This is because Purshottam Narayan has given man free will. HEnce you state what you do, unfortunatlely without absolute knowledge. Why do you have a problem with Ghanshyam Pande? He is Brahman too according to you,no? Why even a stone or a dog is. So why cant i worship Him? LOL

Why are you so affected? Purshottam Narayan is one. We souls cannot become Him ever.He is our MAster. He lives through His Anvay Shakti in our soul as VAsudev.He lives in all living beings in such a way at the same time as Living in His abode as one through His Vyatirek Shakti.

He comes into the universe whenever Adharm prevails. Last i know of it, He came as Himself Swaminarayan Bhagwan. Maybe He could even be here today. he has inumberable Avtaars. Just like He told NAradji and Brahmaji.

JAy Swaminarayan
Nar NArayan Dev ki Jay
Laksmi Narayan Dev Ki JAy
Jay Gopinath Ji Maharaj

[Aupmanyav]

How and why would Brahman worship Brahman? Leave the slave mentality, you are your own master, nobody else is.

[mahesh]

Brahman doesnt worship Brahman. Jeev becomes Brahamn once it gets rid of all Maya. Then attains the abode of Parbrahman and lives there in worship and service of Brahman. I dont agree with your philosophy.

[Pariah]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Mundaka Upanishad says, 'In darkness are those who worship the manifest, in greater darkness are those who who worship the unmanifest'.

After perusing the Mundaka Upanishad, I cannot find that phrase anywhere. Currently, I'm looking at the other principle Upanishads, but if there are not there, we will have to assume that it is from the minor Upanishads (100 of them), of which I do not have the will to search through.

Originally Posted by mahesh

Then attains the abode of Parbrahman and lives there in worship and service of Brahman. I dont agree with your philosophy.

You can't live in the worship and service of Brahman. Brahman is Nirguna Brahaman, it has no attributes - how can you even conceive of something that does not have form, let alone worship it? Brahman cannot receive prayers or answer them.

[xexon]

We are as separate from the "divine" as our toes are from our foot.

Its just a matter of perspective.

If you are a scuba diver and capture a cup of water, what have you accomplished?

The water is the same on the outside of the cup as it is on the inside.




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[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by mahesh

Then attains the abode of Parbrahman and lives there in worship and service of Brahman. I dont agree with your philosophy.

Check your second sentence, you are still confused.

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by Pariah

After perusing the Mundaka Upanishad, I cannot find that phrase anywhere.

You can't live in the worship and service of Brahman. Brahman is Nirguna Brahaman, it has no attributes - how can you even conceive of something that does not have form, let alone worship it? Brahman cannot receive prayers or answer them.

My fault, Isa Upanishad 12 & 14 (http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_polytheism.asp). That is what I am trying to impress upon Mahesh. Brahman does not do anything, it just exists. The rest all is done by our faulty perception which makes us think various things.