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Old 09-12-2009, 08:51 PM
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Some people think Unitarian Universalism is too political. I can see where they are coming from to an extent, yet I think our commitment to social justice requires some level of involvement in politics.

But how about the UUAs tendencies to lean toward the left? Is this good or bad or a mixed blessing? Are there any traditionally conservative UUs among these forums who ever feel marginalized by some of the political tendencies of the UUA? Or anyone for that matter?
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I don't see a problem with it. Of course, if I did, I probably wouldn't be UU....

Anyway, I think it's important to have an active and vocal Religious Left.
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Churches and other religious bodies can speak on issues of the day but they cannot oppose or endorse candidates from the pulpit. The church stands in the prophetic tradition of helping the oppressed, downtrodden and excluded. It can be said the church is political but not partisan. Sadly, modern Unitarian Universalism in it's pursuit of social justice is devoid of a religious voice. Too often many churches bear witness to their stances by citing political or secular reasons for their support often making the impression on behalf of libertarians, classical conservatives and many liberals and moderates that the stances made in the UUA's name are partisan. As a Christian Universalist, my social justice witness is strengthened by my Christian faith. As I believe that ALL SOULS, Christian or not, will be reconciled to God and are all the children of God, that I am my sisters and brothers keeper and will do everything I can to ensure their well being. I believe that we co-creators with God in transforming the human race into the human family and bringing the kingdom of God in our midst- the reign of justice, inclusion, liberation, healing, mercy, compassion and love. It reflects the spirit of Micah, Isaiah, Jesus and the rest of the prophets. I myself, being very liberal and a member of the Green Party agree with the stances, however, we need to frame our stances in light of our rich Universalist and Unitarian tradition.
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Anyway, I think it's important to have an active and vocal Religious Left.
Liberal in the religious sense, political sense, or both?

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Too often many churches bear witness to their stances by citing political or secular reasons for their support often making the impression on behalf of libertarians, classical conservatives and many liberals and moderates that the stances made in the UUA's name are partisan.
I don't see the problem with citing secular or non-religious reasons for agreeing with a particular position or moral stance. People all too often make the mistake of basing their positions on religious tradition. While some religious tradition can be valuable and affirmative, it often is not -- for instance, when tradition excludes homosexuals or women from ministry, defining a woman's role as subject to a man, etc.

I don't see anything wrong with using religious language and religious tradition to affirm progressive values. On that note, many people use art to express their feelings about political and moral issues and do so quite powerfully -- using religious imagery and tradition to do the same strikes me as similar because both ways of articulating the moral stance can be a powerful way to communicate.

However, I feel like non-religious arguments for certain political and moral views is necessary to support the values, however they are articulated or communicated. If we don't truly think about what we're saying or hearing intelligently, aren't we just reacting to powerful messages? Because a message can be very powerfully expressed artistically or in traditional language and still be very harmful.

Furthermore, with a Constitutional separation of church and state in America (not always followed, but it is the law), it is necessary to communicate our positions in a reasonable, secular fashion without simply appealing to religious tradition. Certainly our religious tradition can enhance and guide our message, but in the end, its appeal to a secular government must transcend whatever religious tradition we are rooted in. We must not demand certain governmental policies because our religious tradition says that is what should be, but because we are able to demonstrate the validity of the position in the first place, no matter what tradition it is or is not rooted in.
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Liberal in the religious sense, political sense, or both?
Both.
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How do you think UUs should respond to those who feel marginalized for having some conservative political views or belong to the Republican or Libertarian party?
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How do you think UUs should respond to those who feel marginalized for having some conservative political views or belong to the Republican or Libertarian party?
While there does seem to be a majority of Liberal political views in the UU Church, there also seems to be a sprinkling of conservatives and even more Libertarians. In fact, a lot of those who appear liberal often turn out to be more libertarian. I don't know of anyone feeling marginalized due to their political leanings though it does lead to some heated conversations and debates, especially during social events that include alcohol.
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I hear that direct quote a lot, and not just when I say it.
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How do you think UUs should respond to those who feel marginalized for having some conservative political views or belong to the Republican or Libertarian party?
They should apologize and try to make the community more inclusive. It's too easy to be a liberal club where everyone has the same viewpoint and slide into a sloppy mutual agreement society where ideas aren't held up to scrutiny.

Notably, I know a number of UUs who are against abortion for theological reasons but are hesitant to say so at their church because they've been assaulted as being repressive or anti-feminist when they expressed their ideas.
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