Did God rape Mary?

[Road Warrior]

If someone wants to believe God is a rapist and/or Mary is a slut, I'm sure they'll find a way to do so regardless of the facts or the larger picture.

[InformedIgnorance]

O.o

I do not believe either (for starters I do not believe in the Abrahamic God) I am merely giving the possible alternatives if you accept that Mary gave birth to the begotten son of the Abrahamic God.

I think you will find that most people who 'wants to believe [the Abrahamic] God is a rapist and/or Mary is a slut' probably does not believe in that God in the first place and so therefore does not hold either to be true, but rather that they would approach such a scenario from a critical (or perhaps less desirably from a cynical) perspective; I am of the former group.

[Road Warrior]

Originally Posted by InformedIgnorance

O.o

I do not believe either (for starters I do not believe in the Abrahamic God) I am merely giving the possible alternatives if you accept that Mary gave birth to the begotten son of the Abrahamic God.

It was obvious you don't believe in the Abrahamic God and were simply pot-stirring. Thanks for coming clean about it.

[InformedIgnorance]

That should have been clear given the comment in my 'religion' field directly bellow my name.

Whereas the same cannot be said for your title in terms of how it reflects on your posts in this thread at least; though it seems less out of place in other threads.

And I was not 'pot stirring' I was simply giving a purely critical (in no way cynical) examination of the issue.

[sojourner]

Of what possible good use is the concept of rape to the spiritual sensibility?

[Road Warrior]

Originally Posted by sojourner

Of what possible good use is the concept of rape to the spiritual sensibility?

It's not, but it is certainly of good use to mortal sensibilities who want to discredit the concept of a spiritual component to existence.

[sojourner]

Since "rape" is a legal term, with very specific parameters, I don't see how the thing with Mary can qualify as a rape.
1) Since Mary supposedly consented, it's not rape.
2) Since God (at the time) was not human, it's not rape.
3) Since the act wasn't predicated upon violence, it's not rape.

[InformedIgnorance]

Of those three points, only the first is valid (if indeed she consented and was capable of informed consent)

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by InformedIgnorance

Of those three points, only the first is valid (if indeed she consented and was capable of informed consent)

Are you contending that rape is not a human crime? Are you contending that violence was the intent?

If Mary could consent to be married, she could consent to sex.
Since your argument must be predicated upon the texts in which the story is found, then God's intent and God's nature must also be assumed by the text. That intent is not violent. That nature is not human (yet).

No rape.

[F0uad]

The title disgust me but i will reply.

You can approach this by asking what is the definition of rape it is: ''Unwilling sex''
The Christians and Muslims never claimed God had ''Sex'' or ''Impregnated'' Marry(p) unwillingly so therefore no.

The muslims also never claimed god ''Impregnated'' marry(p) but the Christians do (at-least there bible does). The muslims simply say He ''Jesus(p)'' is created and nothing about impregnating marry(p).


Biblical story about the birth:

Matthew 1:31-35

31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.



Quranic story about the birth:

Surah 3:45-47

Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!


I would prefer the Quranic one.