OBJECTIVE OF LIFE : worshiping God (creation, pray, faith, God)

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friend Bishadi,
Thank you for atleast reading and trying to understand that.

Brothers of One; can understand as ONE, in knowledge.

All that is left is to combine the words for the children; and with the completed works, universal Peace.

as in any case the body will wear out and one will get a new one thereafter.
Love & rgds
Love & rgds

Love and regards my friend but as our bodies return to mother earth, the mass and energy my be consumed by another yet the memories of that body stay with the body; see alzheimer's disease.

What this means is no soul consisting of memories is born into a new body. Just as no "i' exists in conscious.

Peace brother.

[zenzero]

Friend Bishadi,
The understanding about DEATH is:
Nothing dies and it is only a Change of Forms.
One remains where one leaves i.e. like changing of clothes one changes the body due to its limitation.
Main topic of discussion was OBJECTIVE of life.
So far have looked all around existence but found Life to be having NO objective. It was, it is and it will be. It is boundriless, timeless, infintity a continium.
Love & rgds

[emiliano]

I would say that the objective of life is to simply live. There are some who experience life as worshiping God, and other who simply experience it as an observation.

The problem is that living is tiring at times, that there are time when we need a rest from living and experiencing, this tiring episodes will come to all, so everybody have a time in which one must ask, can I go on at this pace? How can I rest? Who can give me the greatest peace/rest? Surely it would have to be someone greater than myself, someone with a greater power than myself. It would have to be someone wiser than myself, this is one of the ways that many people defines God, worshipping is the objective.

But if we are to define "life," the objective of "life" is to "live."

Not just to live, there are two great desires in humans (rational beings) one is to rest and the other is to be happy so OBJECTIVE OF LIFE : worshiping God.

[zenzero]

Friend emilano,

Not just to live, there are two great desires in humans (rational beings) one is to rest and the other is to be happy so OBJECTIVE OF LIFE : worshiping God.

The above statement is irrational / illogical by any standards. How you arraived at the conclusion
* God alone knows*
You state that man gets tired of living and needs rest and so pray. Well for a change Here am not tired of living and *rest* comes automatically [physical] and the mind gets *rest* automatically when in meditation. So the question of Desiring REST is not there.
Worshipping / praying is done when god is seperate from you. The word god includes everything including you / me [who ever]; so why pray *YOURSELF* and surely then the question is what is to be done. It is simply to search inwards by meditation as to what am I a part of.
Love & rgds

[emiliano]

The above statement is irrational / illogical by any standards. How you arrived at the conclusion
* God alone knows*

I am sorry that you think that of my last effort. Irrational? As I said I am a human (a rational being) and I know that I get tired, it simple all humans get tired and long for rest/peace of mind, I am a Christian, when I am tired I seek the communion with God that other posters have already mentioned, in all this process where did I acted in an irrational way? Illogical? Well as I said I am a Christian, so logically when I am tired I seek refuge in the Almighty God that I believe in. Is that illogical?

You state that man gets tired of living and needs rest and so pray.

Well that is the purpose of prayers, to seek the promised rest of my faith Mat 11:28 Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Prayers are the communications of a lesser being with an Almighty, and it works for me!

Well for a change Here am not tired of living and *rest* comes automatically [physical] and the mind gets *rest* automatically when in meditation.

If that works for you, go ahead knock yourself out! But this doesn’t works for me, I have never been able to stop brain function.

So the question of Desiring REST is not there.

I find that hard to believe, even sleeping (automatic response to tiring) is tiring because one dreams, thinks and get tired just the same. What do you do all day? Do you work, manage a home, inter- act with other people? This is what tires us. Do you automatically switch to meditation? Are narcoleptic?

Worshipping / praying is done when god is separate from you. The word god includes everything including you / me [who ever]; so why pray *YOURSELF* and surely then the question is what is to be done. It is simply to search inwards by meditation as to what am I a part of. Love & rgds

Sorry, but right back at you! The above statement is irrational / illogical by any standards. How you arrived at the conclusion
* God alone knows*
My idea of God is that He is the greatest conceivable supreme being, so I pray to no one else but Him. The word god includes everything including you / me [who ever]? Where the hell did you get this one from? Are you alright?

[zenzero]

Friend emiliano,
Good, learnt this new word NARCOLEPSY from you.
Our approaches are different so lets see where the differences are:
AM saying that when we get tired physically or mentally sleep comes automatically. We do not have to induce sleep. Sleep comes on its own. Buddha too slept or his body rested but buddhas are always awake even in sleep. Meditation is a state when the mind is bereft of thoughts and which I do whenever I wish to and in meditation a space is created which recharges the mind too for fresh thinking. Thinking is not wrong that is the function of the mind only unwanted thoughts are detrimental to our goal and so one develops cultivates positive and healthy thoughts.
What I was trying to state is that the objective of life is not praying. What is this praying or in your words taking rest. The rest That I talk of is a natural phenomenon which comes on automatically when tired even if you do not want to unless one is a ZOMBIE.
What is prayer. To me prayer is same as meditation and that is not the objective. Objective is to be One with existence and be a part of it which though we are do not know or understand it and so all enlightened people state that *it is a journey of no journey* Just like a curtain fall an illusion etc.
God as existence and everything including me a part of existence is a self realisation which to you is NOT. To you god is a sperate entity which one cannot see but only lives in imagination. Well, it is only a matter of time and space in which we all live and the gaps are as much as those of the time and space each one covers. It is also called the stage of evolution or the karmic effect.
love & rgds

[Bishadi]

Friend Bishadi,

The understanding about DEATH is:
Nothing dies and it is only a Change of Forms.

Yet, the experience of choice no longer exists upon a nameste (person).

One remains where one leaves i.e. like changing of clothes one changes the body due to its limitation.

Such as all things. The 'mind' of a person (One) is but the illusion of knowing experience, that isolated experience no longer exist when that body loses it’s heart beat. The memories of that person are bound to the body, the soul is what they left in the wake of life.

Main topic of discussion was OBJECTIVE of life.

So far have looked all around existence but found Life to be having NO objective.

Yet to write is an objective. To reproduce is an objective. To articulate knowledge is an objective. Look in the mirror and see ‘good’ is to ‘support life to continue.’ Knowingly or not, the compassion of life itself, will do by intent.

It was, it is and it will be. It is boundriless, timeless, infintity a continium.

Love & rgds

a description of existence itself…. the continuum of the total; yin and yang; god.

The problem is that living is tiring at times, that there are time when we need a rest from living and experiencing, this tiring episodes will come to all, so everybody have a time in which one must ask, can I go on at this pace? How can I rest? Who can give me the greatest peace/rest?

Have you ever taken someone out and had fun? When you do time is irrelevant to you as you are experiencing life with no needs of self. But if you do that same thing over and over and over and over, then we all can see how ‘tired’ you would get. Still on the first day, it was the greatest ever, for a moment.

So it is not 'us' that is to make you happy.

And if you were listening to your religion you would know by basic sense, you have the 7th day off. No work; by god!



Purpose of life; to continue.

Objective; to support life. (good)

; to take for the purpose of ‘I’……. causes a loss to the common (bad)

[emiliano]

Good, learnt this new word NARCOLEPSY from you.

Our approaches are different so lets see where the differences are:
AM saying that when we get tired physically or mentally sleep comes automatically.

I was directing my thought toward another type of tiredness and rest, spiritual rest (I am sure that there must be a better word for it) this offcourse comes from my faith and that is the reason for our differences in our approaches, question: Is physical exhaustion the only thing that makes desire a rest? My system of belief say Mat 11:28 Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
I don’t think that this refers to the physical real only, that some times is my soul that is tired and in need of rest and I seek communion with the one that made the promise “I will give you rest”

We do not have to induce sleep. Sleep comes on its own. Buddha too slept or his body rested but buddhas are always awake even in sleep.

So you do know that this is not physical tiredness and we are on the same page here

Meditation is a state when the mind is bereft of thoughts and which I do whenever I wish to and in meditation a space is created which recharges the mind too for fresh thinking.

You bereft your mind of thought? How do you do that? Our mind will always automatically fill that space, this is always a thought brought from the environment in which we are in. Is this ability learnt?

Thinking is not wrong that is the function of the mind only unwanted thoughts are detrimental to our goal and so one develops cultivates positive and healthy thoughts.

To me God is the supreme thought and that is all I need, I believe that when I am in prayer I am in His presence, like I said “it work for me” so we are in the same page here also, I cultivated the greatest conceivable thought “God”

What I was trying to state is that the objective of life is not praying.

But if we have seen that rest in imperative to life and that prayer is the way to the presence of the giver of rest, prayer must be our primary objective.

What is this praying or in your words taking rest. The rest That I talk of is a natural phenomenon which comes on automatically when tired even if you do not want to unless one is a ZOMBIE.

Echo! I was not referring to that to that, I was referring to a spiritual rest, that will also bring physical rest and a state of happiness.

What is prayer. To me prayer is same as meditation and that is not the objective.

Why do you meditate?

Objective is to be One with existence and be a part of it which though we are do not know or understand it and so all enlightened people state that *it is a journey of no journey* Just like a curtain fall an illusion etc.
To you god is a sperate entity which one cannot see but only lives in imagination.

To me God is the supreme good, that is what I seek in prayer, that he fills my mind with His presence, you said that you cultivate good thought to fill the spaces that you create in your mind by depriving your mind of thoughts, I fill it with God.

Well, it is only a matter of time and space in which we all live and the gaps are as much as those of the time and space each one covers. It is also called the stage of evolution or the karmic effect.

And there it is, we both are seeking to fill the spaces of our mind to obtain rest/peace and happiness, this is because we are rational being, it just that I found the supreme good and a way to be in it presence “prayer” this is all I need.

[emiliano]

Bishadi,

Have you ever taken someone out and had fun? When you do time is irrelevant to you as . But if you do that same thing over and over and over and over, then we all can see how ‘tired’ you would get. Still on the first day, it was the greatest ever, for a moment.

Yes I have, but it has not lasted for ever, it was not perfect fun, it was not eternal, it was not the supreme good and I have to do it over and over again because my soul yearns for happiness, it is what motivate us to live, all rational being are attracted to the good.

So it is not 'us' that is to make you happy.

What makes happy is to obtain that which is deemed good, if we believe that you have it, we are happy.

And if you were listening to your religion you would know by basic sense, you have the 7th day off. No work; by god!

I know that and I also know that God created it for me, because he loves me, he knows me and care for me, thus he inspired men to write about it. To let me know that I must rest one day, what else did He commanded to be done in that day?

Purpose of life; to continue.

No. the purpose of life is to find God’s purpose to our lives.

Objective; to support life. (good)

To live it in accordance to God’s purpose

; to take for the purpose of ‘I’……. causes a loss to the common (bad)

????????????????????????? Are you referring to the common good? The democratic principle? I know that some times my personal good my interfered with that of other and that when this situation arises and I become aware of it, I must yield to the common good.