Is it ironic when religious people get upset over homosexuality because they think its unnatural? (moral, abomination)

[Heneni]

Um...homosexuality is not natural. You can try if you like to convince me otherwise, but I doubt you will be able to. There are many ways to skin a cat, but skinning a cat isnt natural.

Im talking about the sexual intercourse between two men or two women. As I have explained before, chromosones have a lot to do with the reason some women or men are gay.

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heneni

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Um...homosexuality is not natural. You can try if you like to convince me otherwise, but I doubt you will be able to. There are many ways to skin a cat, but skinning a cat isnt natural.

Im talking about the sexual intercourse between two men or two women. As I have explained before, chromosones have a lot to do with the reason some women or men are gay.

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heneni

I was mainly trying to say that, just because you call one thing natural, doesn't mean that something else is unnatural. I state that homosexuality is natural, AND heterosexuality is natural. There is nothing wrong with that.

Now, as to the point of it being natural: Maybe a good place to start would be telling me why you think homosexuality is unnatural.

[Heneni]

I would explain why I think it is unnatural. But that would mean having to go into some graphic detail which i dont think is appropriate and will probably get me banned and I think the explanation would require an age restriction.

Perhaps it would be better if a homosexual person explains why thy think it is natural. Or even you can explain why you think it is natural. Up to this point only some references have been made to the fact that it happens in nature. I think it would be wise to stay clear from the word natural as well. Perhaps we should rather argue why gay people opt to have sex with the same sex.

Being gay is due to chromosones and frankly people that are gay cant help it. But sexual intercourse between two gay people is not necessarily an option they have to take. I guess Im trying to find out what the reason for intercourse between two men would be other than the cop out reason...it is natural.

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Heneni

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Heneni

I would explain why I think it is unnatural. But that would mean having to go into some graphic detail which i dont think is appropriate and will probably get me banned and I think the explanation would require an age restriction.

Perhaps it would be better if a homosexual person explains why thy think it is natural. Or even you can explain why you think it is natural. Up to this point only some references have been made to the fact that it happens in nature. I think it would be wise to stay clear from the word natural as well. Perhaps we should rather argue why gay people opt to have sex with the same sex.

Being gay is due to chromosones and frankly people that are gay cant help it. But sexual intercourse between two gay people is not necessarily an option they have to take. I guess Im trying to find out what the reason for intercourse between two men would be other than the cop out reason...it is natural.

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Heneni

If you believe that it is due to chromosomes and they can't help being gay, then it has to be natural. What people are reacting to is mostly Christians denouncing it because it's unnatural, as if God didn't make people that way. What you're saying is that, in Christian terms, God did make people that way. So, if God creating something a certain way makes it natural, and something going against the way God created it makes it unnatural, then people who are born gay (made that way by God) would be natural.

The reason people use animals in their defense of it is that most people don't believe animals have a choice in how they act. They act solely on instinct. So, if some animals are gay, it's not their choice, it's their nature. Then, you just apply the same thing to humans. Gay people are not gay by choice, it's their nature. Then, if it's their nature, it equates to it being natural.

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Um...homosexuality is not natural.

How do you know ?
Have you tried getting together with someone of the same gender? You might find it's more natural than you thought.

[Heneni]

Oh dear I cant seem to make my point so I will try once more.

Gayness is due to chromosones, not because of choice, so if you like, you can call it natural, sexual intercourse between two gay people is due to choice, hence it does not need to qualify as natural.

LOL. I think im going to back away from the light now...

Slowly...steady...

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Oh dear I cant seem to make my point so I will try once more.

Gayness is due to chromosones, not because of choice, so if you like, you can call it natural, sexual intercourse between two gay people is due to choice, hence it does not need to qualify as natural.

LOL. I think im going to back away from the light now...

Slowly...steady...

If you're made gay (have the "gay" chromosomes), then how could you not act gay? If I'm born with black hair, then changing my hair color to blond is unnatural. If I'm born with gay chromosomes, then having sex with someone of the same gender is natural, while having sex with someone of the opposite gender is unnatural.

[texan1]

Originally Posted by Heneni

I would explain why I think it is unnatural. But that would mean having to go into some graphic detail which i dont think is appropriate and will probably get me banned and I think the explanation would require an age restriction.

Perhaps it would be better if a homosexual person explains why thy think it is natural. Or even you can explain why you think it is natural. Up to this point only some references have been made to the fact that it happens in nature. I think it would be wise to stay clear from the word natural as well. Perhaps we should rather argue why gay people opt to have sex with the same sex.

Being gay is due to chromosones and frankly people that are gay cant help it. But sexual intercourse between two gay people is not necessarily an option they have to take. I guess Im trying to find out what the reason for intercourse between two men would be other than the cop out reason...it is natural.

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Heneni

Because they desire the same intimacy and bond with another person of the same sex that you do with the opposite sex. Why should they be denied that?

In my opinion people cause themselves and people around them much greater harm if they deny themselves this and try to live a life that isn't natural to them. Look at Ted Haggarty for example. He spent his life preaching against homosexuality and trying to live life as a heterosexual married man. He eventually turned to drugs and using male prostitutes, causing pain and embarassment to his family and his followers. This type of thing happens quite often with people who try to deny who they naturally are. You can only live the lie for so long without being completely tormented.

And by the way, I hope you have never considered having oral or anal sex with a heterosexual partner. That is just unnatural.

And are you really concerned about the population? In my opinion it would make more sense to argue that homosexuality is one of God's or nature's way of controlling the exploding population growth.

[Heneni]

People could have same sex without them being gay too. So then what is that? Unnatural. Natural?

I believe that gay men can find women with characteristics that would suit them as a partner. We cannot define gay people by their choice of sexual partner, since many straight people experiment with these things as well.

Infact we should not label people at all according to their sexual preferences. It is a preference after all not a genetic absolute. Have we forgotten that we are not our genitals? So why use these to label people?

But that is just my view. From a religious point of view, sexual intercourse between two men are not considered to be up there i.t.o holy conduct.

I think that all the positions in that very unorthodox and frighteningly poorly animated book the kamasutra is frankly unnatural.

Men ...um dont have the ...what you may call it...um...oh dear...they dont have a place to put the funky monkey without causing it seems in most cases, internal bleeding in the otherwise normal waste disposal unit of another man. And that, forgive me, if I dont seem over zealous about it, is unnatural. Any action that would require medical intervention is not natural. Wouldnt you agree? I'm not holding my breath.

I personally have no attraction towards other females. Perhaps females wonder about these things for the same reason a man would wonder why a women would choose another women for sexual gratification instead of them. Infact as I can recall, men are very much turned on by lesbian activity for the reason that they would like to join in and be the overcomer of both. LOL.

Anyway...I have not further insights into the gay or lesbian world. So please do continue without me.

Heneni

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Heneni

It is a preference after all not a genetic absolute.

I know you don't want to discuss it anymore, but I had to pull this out. You say people are born with "gay" chromosomes. That, to me, means that they are born gay. That completely contradicts this statement by you. If you go against your chromosomes, you're being unnatural. If your chromosomes tell you to be gay, then doing anything else would be unnatural. If you're born gay, then that means that your preference is sex with people of the same gender. You can decide to go against that, but that would be unnatural. Just like you going against your preference to sleep with men would be unnatural for you.