existence of god (Creator, verse, devil, divine)

[fire]

To answer the original question of this thread, Yes there is a God! I could give details, but I never will. For the curious, seek God for yourself. For those who are not curious, be content then.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by RedRain

I don't see what you are saying or if I do see, it does not make sense to me. I do not believe God is in reality exactly as I perceive Him or that people should perceive Him exactly as I perceive Him. I do believe that many peoples' perception of God is in reality very wrong or, in other words, their perception of Him differs greatly from how He actually is.

I will not respect someone's belief if it inspires what I see as hatred. I do value my opinion over the opinions of those who do not seek what I see as justice. Not everyone is right.

But what you perceive as God is undoubtedly what you perceive as God, no?

So for everyone. So their perception that is "wrong" is really just "different from yours". Not respecting it is your right; respecting it as "different" rather than "wrong" is, in my view, more correct. But then, that may be different for you.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by Willamena

But what you perceive as God is undoubtedly what you perceive as God, no?

So for everyone. So their perception that is "wrong" is really just "different from yours". Not respecting it is your right; respecting it as "different" rather than "wrong" is, in my view, more correct. But then, that may be different for you.

Relativism can only lead to the confusion that comes with politics and power. It is not conducive to personal growth or the evolution of the human species.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Relativism can only lead to the confusion that comes with politics and power. It is not conducive to personal growth of the evolution of the human species.

It leads to my own personal growth; and by extension, if we all grow personally then the human species grows personally.

[Rolling_Stone]

I don't see how the denial of one’s current estate constitutes growth. There are no shortcuts. "The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

I don't see how the denial of one’s current estate constitutes growth.

I have no clue what you're talking about.

[RedRain]

Originally Posted by Willamena

But what you perceive as God is undoubtedly what you perceive as God, no?

So for everyone. So their perception that is "wrong" is really just "different from yours". Not respecting it is your right; respecting it as "different" rather than "wrong" is, in my view, more correct. But then, that may be different for you.

What about reality outside of perception? Does it not exist? Someone is right. Whether or not we can know for certain who is right is another matter, but I believe it is beneficial to form conclusions as to the most likely scenarios.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by RedRain

What about reality outside of perception? Does it not exist? Someone is right. Whether or not we can know for certain who is right is another matter, but I believe it is beneficial to form conclusions as to the most likely scenarios.

Exactly, and doing so with denying the dualistic nature of our current estate. For how can it be benificial to have a monistic philosophy of life while experiencing it in terms of self and other?

[rgray]

I perceive God when I have peace in times of turmoil, I know He's there when I am by my self but am not alone. When He answers my prayers as I asked them and when He answers my prayers, but nothing like how I had asked Him, and when I reflect back I realize how thankful I am that He did not answer my prayer as I had asked because of how much more I gained by His answer. I see him more often in hindsight, as my mind is not always able to see His hand as it's moving.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by RedRain

Someone is right. Whether or not we can know for certain who is right is another matter, but I believe it is beneficial to form conclusions as to the most likely scenarios.

Either we cannot know for certain "who is right", which renders both meaningless in terms of right, or we can know for certain which is right --which renders both right, both being quite certain of their rightness in their own regard.