Truth in Silence (contradiction, divorce, philosophy)

[Rolling_Stone]

“Truth,” I said, “is not subject to interpretation. Truth is beyond our perception and evaluation.”

The question that followed was, “Then how do you know what truth is?”

It is so clear that that it takes long to see.
You must know the fire you are seeking
Is the fire of your own lantern,
And that you rice has been cooked from the beginning.

I will say what I have to say and leave it at that. I am tired of dancing with shadows. I will not debate or seek to prove that what I say is true, for the telling about something that is to be understood rather than about something factual. Truth is not about bringing a new state of affairs, but about awakening to what already is and has always been. It is about going directly into the light, because if it is thought about, truth is entirely missed.

Someone living comfortably in a make-believe world has neither reason nor desire to escape. They seek, but do not find; they evaluate, but remain in darkness. For although the ego appears to itself to live from a self-conscious center, and although it appears to the ego that life is divorced from truth so truth is something attained through perception and evaluation, it is mere conceit, infatuation with ideas, or fear of “losing control.”

The absurdity of feeling a need to find truth is possible only because it is felt “I” is one thing and “life” or “reality” is another, that the knower is separate from the known.

It is only when you seek it that you lose it.
You cannot take hold of it, nor can you get rid of it;
While can do neither, it goes its own way.
You remain silent and it speaks; you speak and it is silent.

It is said that no one finds by seeking, but only those who seek shall find. There is no mystery or contradiction here. The seeking reveals the absurdity of the task and the powerlessness of ego. Acceptance is usually slow and laborious, but can also be quite sudden. Generally, it is a process that involves agitation, resistance, astonishment, and disbelief. In time, when the ego is made see itself for what it is rather that as that what it has made itself to be, it will seen that it is utterly dependent on something prior to itself and, in fact, is not really a self at all. It is, as it were, merely a placeholder whose self-consciousness, an unstable but necessary faculty, has only one purpose: to allow the One to partake in the joyfulness of living in the One.

“Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find.
When they find, they will be disturbed.
When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all.”

[slabbey06]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

“Truth,” I said, “is not subject to interpretation. Truth is beyond our perception and evaluation.”

The question that followed was, “Then how do you know what truth is?”

It is so clear that that it takes long to see.
You must know the fire you are seeking
Is the fire of your own lantern,
And that you rice has been cooked from the beginning.

I will say what I have to say and leave it at that. I am tired of dancing with shadows. I will not debate or seek to prove that what I say is true, for the telling about something that is to be understood rather than about something factual. Truth is not about bringing a new state of affairs, but about awakening to what already is and has always been. It is about going directly into the light, because if it is thought about, truth is entirely missed.

Someone living comfortably in a make-believe world has neither reason nor desire to escape. They seek, but do not find; they evaluate, but remain in darkness. For although the ego appears to itself to live from a self-conscious center, and although it appears to the ego that life is divorced from truth so truth is something attained through perception and evaluation, it is mere conceit, infatuation with ideas, or fear of “losing control.”

The absurdity of feeling a need to find truth is possible only because it is felt “I” is one thing and “life” or “reality” is another, that the knower is separate from the known.

It is only when you seek it that you lose it.
You cannot take hold of it, nor can you get rid of it;
While can do neither, it goes its own way.
You remain silent and it speaks; you speak and it is silent.

It is said that no one finds by seeking, but only those who seek shall find. There is no mystery or contradiction here. The seeking reveals the absurdity of the task and the powerlessness of ego. Acceptance is usually slow and laborious, but can also be quite sudden. Generally, it is a process that involves agitation, resistance, astonishment, and disbelief. In time, when the ego is made see itself for what it is rather that as that what it has made itself to be, it will seen that it is utterly dependent on something prior to itself and, in fact, is not really a self at all. It is, as it were, merely a placeholder whose self-consciousness, an unstable but necessary faculty, has only one purpose: to allow the One to partake in the joyfulness of living in the One.

“Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find.
When they find, they will be disturbed.
When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all.”

Forgive my confusion, but I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. It sounds like you've been influenced by Freud's philosophy of life though. Are you trying to say that we deceive ourselves in thinking we know truth, that the only truth we can really know is that we can't know truth?

[Comet]

What is truth? A subjective perspective! There is no such thing.....

[Rolling_Stone]

Some fools dance with shadows
Thinking they are real;
Others see the shadows as shadows,
But believe not in that which casts them.

[cardero]

Truth in Silence
Silence is Foo

[FatMan]

If Truth was represented by silence, the only time you'd get straight answers would be in the dead of night.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Some fools dance with shadows
Thinking they are real;
Others see the shadows as shadows,
But believe not in that which casts them.

Some look within and see the projector in operation . . . and thereby free themselves to revel in the dance with great abandon and joyful noise.

[FatMan]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Some fools dance with shadows
Thinking they are real;
Others see the shadows as shadows,
But believe not in that which casts them.

And some just see a sunny day and use it as a time to get out and celebrate.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Some look within and see the projector in operation . . . and thereby free themselves to revel in the dance with great abandon and joyful noise.

Yes, but they aren't fools (even though they may appear to be to the world). Beautifully said, Dopp. I knew you would understand.