serious questions seekin serious answers (Jesus, priest, ritual, punishment)

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

My own consciousness awareness and use of language, the interaction between my self and the social reality in which I exist, creates the order and complexity I see.

They exited even before you were born and became able to see them.

[~Amin~]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

The design and complexities is how the Almighty
draws our attention to Him Self,God is not bound
by time, matter, or space,He created time.
The way time is determined is the rotation of
planets around the sun,How can He Be created
when He is not within His creation?
He Can Not Be Created Because He Is Not
Like His Creation.

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.

In Islam we dont believe in original sin.

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?

Thats not true "DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE
COME TO DO AWAY WITH THE LAW OF MOSES
AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHETS.
I HAVE NOT COME TO DO AWAY WITH THEM,
BUT TO MAKE THERE TEACHINGS COME TRUE.Mathew 5,17

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

just a few questions, from me to you guys, hope i get some answers soon. peace out

I hope thats simple answers

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

This isn't a question.

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.

Neither is this.

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?

The law was given as a schoolmaster to teach mankind to understand what sin was and what to do about it. the arrival of Christ and His subsequent death and ressurrection fulfilled the old law. Man then needed a subsequent dictate in order follow the law of love. there is no contradiction.

[Darkness]

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

The simple answer is that time hasn't existed forever. When the Universe first began, that is the beginning of all time. You cannot say before the Universe, because that is non-existent. The beginning of the Universe (t=0) is the start of the concept of time. Even if God did create the Universe, He would be as Old as the Universe.

Read: Eternity and Time in William Lane Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument by James Still

Originally Posted by Sandy Whitelinger

The law was given as a schoolmaster to teach mankind to understand what sin was and what to do about it. the arrival of Christ and His subsequent death and ressurrection fulfilled the old law. Man then needed a subsequent dictate in order follow the law of love. there is no contradiction.

Actually that is a complete mutilation of the Torah and is Moral Relativism at its best. It is either moral or immoral to stone a girl who commits adultary. Moses believed it to be moral, Jesus felt it was immoral. But of course, I misunderstand the Scriptures because I do not agree with you.

[Melissa G]

It's nothing to do with God, who actually doesn't exist. The OT and NT mark the split bewteen Judaism and the emerging mythology of the rebel teacher Jesus, whoever he was.

Melissa G

[Random]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

It's nothing to do with God, who actually doesn't exist. The OT and NT mark the split bewteen Judaism and the emerging mythology of the rebel teacher Jesus, whoever he was.

Melissa G

You sure know how to layeth the smackdown. You're right, in that all GOD concepts are flawed, however, this does not mean something, possibly an entity of some transcendental sort, does not exist outside the System of things we observe. But that remains mere speculation...

[Melissa G]

As Dawkins has said, probablity says there is no God...smackdown lol. We do not have to prove a negative, it's for the true believers to bear the onus for proving God really does exist, outside of their subjective beliefs

Melissa G

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Melissa

As Dawkins has said, probablity says there is no God...smackdown lol. We do not have to prove a negative, it's for the true believers to bear the onus for proving God really does exist, outside of their subjective beliefs

You sound more like an Atheist than a pagan. How do you justify your belief in the Pagan gods and goddesses.