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[JayHawes]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.

3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?

just a few questions, from me to you guys, hope i get some answers soon. peace out

1)

Consider a car, and the mechanisms that cause it to crank, burn gas, and propeel forward. Tell me, if i go out into the middle of the Great Plains of the United States, and if i sit there for 6 billion years at what point in time will that car appear? What about a watch? or a Computer? Given time, if complexity arises with a creator anything should be able to take form, right?

No, The Computer had its creator, the Car had its creator, the watch has it creator, and this physical world from which we make all of our things has it's creator. This Universe has a begining, God declared that He is the begining, he is the source of exixtance, He always was and always will be.

2)

A Child can only be concieved by impregnation of the male sperm with a the female egg. So we con agree that every human being who has walked this earth had a father and a mother. However, Jesus had no father, he was concieved of the Holy Ghost - the power of God. Although Jesus was born of Mary (a sinner) she does not pass sin on becuase sin is passed on through the man. This is so becuase in the begining God gave Adam, not Eve the commandment. It was not Eve who sinned, but Adam in that he disobeyed God - rebelling against him. So then the sin nature is passed on the the lineage of man, that is why prophecy says:

Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


This verse says the seed of a woman, not of a man, but of a woman shall bruise the serpant which tempted Eve.

3)

God never changed. The "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot"(Ex 21:24 )is a teaching concerning Capital Punishment. The Jews, being in the desert needed order, and this order came with strict judgment. Like if a man was to kill someone, he was to be stoned. If a man was to steal, when caught he is to pay back double what he stole. If any man was to do another man wrong, he was supposed to recieve appropriate punishment.

The teaching "eye for an eye" is a capital punishment verse. Jesus came revealing grace and love and forgiveness. Instead of killing the murderer, why shouldn't he be saved, why shouldn't he be given a chance to get hisemlf right with God? Instead of lying on someone because they lied on you why don't yout ell teh truth. Because evil for evil profits nothing. SIn is sin whether or not you are responding to sin by sin.

Jesus came teaching love, and revealed that evil for evil serves to no purpose but only evil. True judgement should render good, not the same for which judgemnt was brought. God did not change, he just had to correct the view of things. "an Eye for an eye" is true, but not among civil matters.

[~Amin~]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.
The design and complexities is how the Almighty
draws our attention to Him Self,God is not bound
by time, matter, or space,He created time.
The way time is determined is the rotation of
planets around the sun,How can He Be created
when He is not within His creation?
He Can Not Be Created Because He Is Not
Like His Creation.
2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.
In Islam we dont believe in original sin.
3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?
Thats not true "DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE
COME TO DO AWAY WITH THE LAW OF MOSES
AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHETS.
I HAVE NOT COME TO DO AWAY WITH THEM,
BUT TO MAKE THERE TEACHINGS COME TRUE.Mathew 5,17

just a few questions, from me to you guys, hope i get some answers soon. peace out

Gloryfied Be God The Reavealer Of Truths.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.

3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?

just a few questions, from me to you guys, hope i get some answers soon. peace out

1. The universe is like a million needles all stacked end to end on top of each other. People cannot accept that God exists because they cannot see His works but you are surrounded by them. Atoms do not create themselves and they certainly do not create the physical laws that control the universe. Oh, atoms don't create time either.

2. Humans sin when they choose selfishly. Nothing is held against me that I have not done. I am not blamed for Adam and Eve's mistakes.

3. There is only one truth. It does not change. It does not evolve. Anything that contradicts this truth is false.

Men created the law "an eye for an eye" and wrote it into their book. Humans blamed God for natural events that they did not understand. Men wrote that women were to obey the men. Men wrote that a sacrifice should be given. None of these things came from God or a representative of God because they are not truth. They are false and always have been.

The one truth is being revealed to us over time as we slowly open our minds to it. We don't have all of it, we don't even have half of it, but God has not changed a thing.

How long has it been since Jesus said "Forgive your enemies" and we still struggle with it?

[rojse]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

Well i have some serious questions, i think it would be great to have answers to.

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all that, there must be a god, well i question this notion. because you are saying that for something so complex to exist there must be something to have created it, well at first it makes sense, but that thing would have to be so much more complex to have created the universe, yet people believe it can exist forever.

2.The whole jesus birth, most christians agree that man(woman to) has a sin nature, well mary is a sinner right? christ was born through her, as you guys say we inherit this sin nature from adam and eve, birth of all people, so since mary is a sinner, jesus couldnt be perfect right, because a HUMAN concieved him.

3.Christ teaches things such as, love god with all your heart, and love your neighbor, do good to those who persecute you, treat others as you want to be treated, yet the old testemant says things like eye for an eye, stone your son all that stuff, how can god change his rules at one time if he is absolute truth?

just a few questions, from me to you guys, hope i get some answers soon. peace out

Many religious people get around the first question by asserting that God has an eternal existence, and you cannot ask what created an eternal being.

The second one has already been answered - immaculate conception.

The third one is an extremely good question to ask. I don't know the answer to that, and I look forward to finding out the answer.

[rojse]

I have had a look through the thread, and I cannot find an answer to the third question that I can comprehend.

Some people have stated that God initially gave different rules because we were not enlightened enough to uphold these values. If this is so, what changed in our collective personalities so that we were then able to keep the current ten commandments, especially considering how inept we are at keeping them today? And why would God create creatures that would not be able to uphold his commandments?

Statements such as "an eye for an eye" and "love thy neighbour" are quite the opposite of eachother. One says if someone kills your brother, you can go and kill theirs, the other says that you should love your neighbours, regardless of what they do.

[Bouncing Ball]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy

1.the claim that because the universe is so complex and all...

This is the easiest one. The universe is not complex. done.


No really, if it took human kind only a few thousand year to find out there are atoms we can't see, to find out about forces and parts so small we will never see and to map a lot of natures "laws", this universe can only be very easy to understand.

And I mean a few thousand years.... we have just started..

[rojse]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Ball

This is the easiest one. The universe is not complex. done.


No really, if it took human kind only a few thousand year to find out there are atoms we can't see, to find out about forces and parts so small we will never see and to map a lot of natures "laws", this universe can only be very easy to understand.

And I mean a few thousand years.... we have just started..

I would say that since the earth formed four and a half billion years ago, and life first formed three point seven billion years ago, and we only are beginning to understand it now, it took a native earth creature more than three and a half billion years to even begin knowing what atoms are, let alone testing and probing at them.

[Bouncing Ball]

Originally Posted by rojse

I would say that since the earth formed four and a half billion years ago, and life first formed three point seven billion years ago, and we only are beginning to understand it now, it took a native earth creature more than three and a half billion years to even begin knowing what atoms are, let alone testing and probing at them.

And that's only 3 and a half billion. Imagine what we know about this when we really had some time to think about it..

For one human life, 100 year is a lot. for human kind, 30000 year is a lot, to understand the world in total, 3 and a half billion years is nothing!

[PureX]

I can give you an interesting twist on the 'virgin birth' image.

Keep in mind that these stories are symbolic. And in the case of the virgin birth, part of the purpose of that symbolic story was to free womanhood from the stigma of having been the vehicle of MANkind's downfall. The old Jews who wrote the bible had a tendency to view women as morally weak, and Eve as having seduced Adam into committing his first sin. And the story of the virgin birth was intended to erase that stigma. Mary gives birth the the "new Adam" through which the sins of the old adam are forgiven (corrected).

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by naturalphilosophy