Was God Created In the Big Bang? (eternal, verse)

[michel]

I don't believe that God was created in the Big bang;
Revelations 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

To me that implies that God was before the Big Bang; it is obviously difficult for us to conceive the idea of infinity - and this is one of those cases.

Without anything to substantiate my belief, I would add that the would be no life had it not been for God; maybe God was responsible for the Big Bang, and that was his way of spawning life.............

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

My definition of the multi-verse is this: It is "All that is".

Such a definition tells us nothing about this multi-verse, because such a definition also applies to the universe.

I don't have to produce any proof of the multi-verse. If you don't wish to believe it, then don't believe it. It changes nothing.

You don't have to produce proof? Do you actually have any proof, or is this an unsubstantiated claim you are making? Isn't this just you saying, "I'm right and you're wrong so nyah nyah"? Why are you exempt from providing proof?

Please provide your proof that there is nothing beyond cosmic background radiation including other dimensions. Make sure it's testable, repeatable, and verifiable. Cough...

A bit rich for you to demand that I provide proof when you've just said that such a thing doesn't apply to you, doesn't it?

In any case, we have a model of the universe which fits pretty much exactly what we see in the real world. There is a ton of evidence saying that the model is correct and none to say that the model is incorrect. Given that, I don't see how you can turn around and say that the single universe theory is wrong when you have no evidence to support your claim that it is wrong and you have no evidence to support your multi verse claim.

The components of life created in the big bang? Energy from a higher dimension was released and as it moved into this lower frequency dimension it condensed into what we call matter. But still there is something missing, something your scientists still don't understand. What made those components come to life? You won't find it in your "big bang".

Higher dimensions? You've been watching too much Star Trek. All the dimensions that interact with the universe are part of the universe. They were created in the Big Bang. Your claim that energy from a higher dimension was released to cause the Big Bang is illogical, because such a higher dimension could not exist until AFTER the Big Bang.

Support my claim of dimensions and heaven? You made a claim, I countered with a claim. If you wish to provide proof that my claim isn't correct then we are all ears. Uh, good luck with that.

So why is it that your claims are to be taken as is without any sign of evidence anywhere, yet my claims are just wrong? Got anything to back up that position other than the fact that you really really wanna be right?

Show you how "God energy" is anything other than a made up word? Call it String Theory if you like, it doesn't matter. Or are you also going to deny string theory? How energy is dimensional? EMR energy is not dimensional, string theory energy is. It doesn't just inhabit dimensions, it creates them.

Ah, so you are arbitrarily redefining words in order to support your claim? Does that mean I can prove the existence of God if I define God to be my television?

Stephen Hawking just guessing? Ask him about dark matter, he'll start guessing really quick...

He's got much more experience with the theory behind it than you do, or are you a dark matter expert in a position to claim that he is wrong just because he doesn't know anything about it? Hawking may not know everything there is to know, but he knows a hell of a lot more than you about it, so can you give me a single good reason why i should ignore him and instead rely on your opinions about it?

Ask any scientist if they've ever created something and they'll go on and on about how they "created" this particle or that machine, then point out that they didn't actually create anything they simply assembled or disassembled something. Then ask them again if they've ever truly created something, they'll start guessing really quick.

What, you want them to create a universe on their own now?

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Was God created in the Big Bang?

Hmmm. This is a difficult question Phil simply because you have two theoretical concepts at play. First, I do accept the Cosmic Hairball (aka The Rather Large Bang) as being the best model for the creation of the "universe". The concept isn't perfect but it works for me.

Now on to the concept of "god". Your question presupposes that what human animals call "god" in fact exists. There is no direct proof (no, not even the Qur'an is direct proof my dear Muslims) to support the claim that "god" exists. I am more inclined to think that "god" is a human construct and therefore it seems reasonable to say that "god" was created LONG after the Big Bang.

To call the precreation universe "god" is also not terribly helpful in understanding what the state of that reality may have been. It is safe to surmise that it would not be human in any way "shape or form". Our predilection for forming our gods in our own image is understandable, but it is also fairly arrogant and distinctly egocentric. It is as if we have this burning need to make reality conform to our expectations. I rather expect that that is expecting a bit much. I think we flatter ourselves with our "deep" understanding of reality and that is why we tend to take comfort in our self-adoring gods that we have become enthralled by... in more ways than one.

oh well, i could be wrong, but at least i don't pretend to be right.

[Guitar's Cry]

The design for God exists in the same non-temporal way as the design for the Big Bang.

[Rolling_Stone]

Funny, isn't it? At first, scientists hated the idea of the Big Bang because it seemed to imply a Creator (not to mention it was first suggested by a clergyman). Now, they can't seem to get by without it.

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Funny, isn't it? At first, scientists hated the idea of the Big Bang because it seemed to imply a Creator (not to mention it was first suggested by a clergyman). Now, they can't seem to get by without it.

Interestingly, Edgar Allen Poe described the Big Bang theory in 1948. From Wiki:

"Eureka, an essay written in 1848, included a cosmological theory that anticipated black holes and the big bang theory by 80 years, as well as the first plausible solution to Olbers' paradox. Though described as a "prose poem" by Poe, who wished it to be considered as art, this work is a remarkable scientific and mystical essay unlike any of his other works. He wrote that he considered Eureka to be his career masterpiece."

Edgar Allan Poe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Scarlett Wampus]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Funny, isn't it? At first, scientists hated the idea of the Big Bang because it seemed to imply a Creator (not to mention it was first suggested by a clergyman). Now, they can't seem to get by without it.

Those sneaky scientists. They'll run with any crazy idea if enough evidence for it builds up.

[Melissa G]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

God did.

How do you know that ?

Melissa

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

How do you know that ?

Melissa

I don't--for sure. I know only what my perception of the symbol "God" is.