Do You Think You Would Regret..... (Jesus, punishment, mystic, choices)

[yuvgotmel]

I can't believe that I read this whole thread. There should be frubals for this sort of thing...

[eudaimonia]

Originally Posted by roli

If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"Do You think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing logic,reason,emperical evidence,refuting the christian theological doctrines ,evidence,historical/geographical studies,the bible,Jesus ,God Heaven,Judgement,hell punishment.

No, why would I, since I did so honestly?

Or would you continue to refute ,justify,excuse yourself before God.

If I was honest, what further need would I have for justification?

Would you blame God for not following after him because of the hypocracy,all the denominations,the conflict between the christian community,the atrocities of historical religion and so on.......

No, and I don't now.

Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.

I don't see honesty as a cause for shame or regret.

Would you at that point beg for mercy,or do you think you would submit to his decision of eternal punishment.
What would you do????

Why would I have to beg? Surely, God is mature and wise enough not to require begging.

I would let God make his decision -- does he want an honest man in heaven, or a dishonest man?

If he wants honest men, he's a good God. If he wants snivelling spineless cowards, he's an evil God. Either way, I win.


eudaimonia,

Mark

[roli]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Would you believe anyone if they said they have the same amount of assurance in their beliefs as you do? Even if they don't have a book to go on, they surely have personal conviction and spiritual experience, or else they wouldn't believe it were true.

I already agreed they may have had an experience and yes, it may very well arose through personal conviction.
Ok people, so settle down, I feel as Jesus did when the people he spoke to drove him out of their towns several times and picked up stones to kill him.
I don't judge anyone or even claim you have'nt experiencesd something,I am only saying Jesus makes the bold statement,it's him you should blame when he says that he is the only way to God the one true God ,the creator God, the forgiving and eternal God etc.
God says I am the one true God ,before me there was no other
Many may have a god,tied to a religious devotion they follow and very well place there stock in it,and to that I say ,congrats.but Jesus says only through Jesus will you enter his heaven and find the one true God.
So, hey everyone,don't listen to me,don't believe me and don't falsly accuse me of violating your liberal religious rites, but please
Blame the one in whom I quote, this is not about me but about the one who says,we all will stand before someday.

It's ironic how some people can create a god that suits their own personal views ,lifestyles and behaviors and to them it is their god and cheers to them.
It goes something like this ,well ,my god does'nt believe in hell,my god would'nt send anyone to hell,my god says as long as I love people,my god says,as long as you try to do good.my god says this and that etc.

Yes,I will say to those who need to hear this that, my God may be as fictious as the next persons god, but only time will truly show us all.

I somehow think validating with scripture won't go over here to well for many reasons ,so I will refrain and only paraphrase
....but Jesus says " I am the way, the truth and the life" whoever believes in me is not condemned,but he who does'nt believe in me stands condemned already because they have not believed in the only begotten son of God.
There you have it, please remember what forum we are on ,"theological concepts ,so as to not be so alarmed with the topics and responses and personal view points.

[MaddLlama]

Nobody is "throwing stones" at you. Please give up the martyr complex and come to the understanding that not everybody is going to agree with you.

When people say "my god", this is not saying "the god I just made up because I felt like it", they are saying "the god I believe in". Just like you. It's just that some people are more careful about assuming that theirs is the only one in existance.

How do you know which gods are "made up" and which ones aren't? Ideas and descriptions had to come from somewhere, so then wouldn't it follow that all gods are made-up by someone? No? Ok, well then what exactly is the difference between someone "discovering" the god you believe in, and "discovering" the one others do? How exactly do you know that other ancient gods don't exist? People certainly believe they do, so what makes your experience more valid than the next persons?

And, BTW, saying "my god is the only true one because he says so" is circular reasoning, so don't be so surprised when you repeat it again and again and the statement gets ignored.

[roli]

Originally Posted by lilithu

I agree wholeheartedly with Scuba Pete when he said that those who choose love choose God. Jesus said that you had to go thru him in order to gain salvation. Has it ever occured to you that he wasn't talking about believing in a doctrine but instead saying that you have to choose love?

Yes, rejecting the path of love will bar us from paradise.
Yes, there is no excuse because love is already known in us.
Do not worship an idea. Surely that is idolatry.
Choose love.

Many speak of love and throw it around like a commodity and almost a god in itself and the person may very well function in that love on a daily basis,to the best of their ability,but they never embrace,accept,believe and receive Christ as Savior for sins.
Who is the embodiment of love.
Just for the record there is man centered love that is spoke of and practiced,but then there is a love that can only come through a personal relationship with Christ.
That is God's love ,that the bible says is only shed abroad in our hearts by his holy spirit.
These are 2 different forms of love,the question is which love is more worthy to be considered,man's love or God's love

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by roli

Many speak of love and throw it around like a commodity and almost a god in itself and the person may very well function in that love on a daily basis,to the best of their ability,but they never embrace,accept,believe and receive Christ as Savior for sins.
Who is the embodiment of love.
Just for the record there is man centered love that is spoke of and practiced,but then there is a love that can only come through a personal relationship with Christ.
That is God's love ,that the bible says is only shed abroad in our hearts by his holy spirit.
These are 2 different forms of love,the question is which love is more worthy to be considered,man's love or God's love

People who are not Christians most certainly have the capacity to love in a meaningful and spiritual way. First thing that comes to mind is the long tradition of Buddhist loving-kindness; the Buddha taught the same type of love, and was just as much of an embodiment of love as Christ was.
What exactly is "man centered" love, anyway? This is a concept that is foreign outside of Christianity. To the rest of us, love is love.

[roli]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

When people say "my god", this is not saying "the god I just made up because I felt like it", they are saying "the god I believe in". Just like you. It's just that some people are more careful about assuming that theirs is the only one in existance.

How do you know which gods are "made up" and which ones aren't? Ideas and descriptions had to come from somewhere, so then wouldn't it follow that all gods are made-up by someone? No? Ok, well then what exactly is the difference between someone "discovering" the god you believe in, and "discovering" the one others do? How exactly do you know that other ancient gods don't exist? People certainly believe they do, so what makes your experience more valid than the next persons?

And, BTW, saying "my god is the only true one because he says so" is circular reasoning, so don't be so surprised when you repeat it again and again and the statement gets ignored.

Before we start down an endless road of heresy,please enlighten me as to what diety you believe in maddLlama,
Is yours made up,is he /she real,what is this god to you,how do you communicate to it and what hope and purpose is there in following it.

I would be very interested to hear what others say about these gods people believe in,I mean the people who oppose everything I say here in this forum.
Who is your god????
You seem to be so enraged at my claims and feel you are attacked,remember we are talking about gods here and what they tell us and what they do for us and what they claim,it's about belief,conviction or is it just about yelling the loudest.
So let's not talk as though your god you defend is just a figment of the imagination.
I would like to hear about some of your gods.
I mean seeing how so many vehemently defend and protect their gods they must surely have personal ties to these gods,do you love your god,has he done anything for you that counts, are these gods worthy to recieve such devotion, especially as I see many hear defending their gods.
What is their reasons for following your god and who is your god??????
I mean when compared to the exclusivity Christ brings to the table as a personal savior
Are your gods threatened by Jesus Christ,or do many people just argue against what Christians claim,for the sake of intellectual arguement and to bash the christian.

It's interesting that I never hear many people personally validate,admonish,quote or recognise their so called gods they vouch for so strongly.
They do it more in a impersonal way
They more or less philosophize in a very general sense and never really bring home to personalize it,why is that I wonder??????
I find more evidence of people bashing any personal beliefs, convictions or quotes I have concerning my God and what he says,then them actually conteracting with what their god says,why is that.???.

[roli]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

People who are not Christians most certainly have the capacity to love in a meaningful and spiritual way. First thing that comes to mind is the long tradition of Buddhist loving-kindness; the Buddha taught the same type of love, and was just as much of an embodiment of love as Christ was.
What exactly is "man centered" love, anyway? This is a concept that is foreign outside of Christianity. To the rest of us, love is love.

I will tell you right off that the love of the buddist and the love that is found in Chirst are radically opposed.
Are you telling me that the love God has is equal to that of a mere man,named Budda
The budda was a man and God is ,well lack of better terms"" God" and he is not as some religions claim him to be ,which is flesh and blood.
There is a love that comes from God that is unlike that which comes through carnal men, guru's,sect leaders the like.
If you don't see this, we are heading no where,but again you must believe in God to see that.

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by roli

Before we start down an endless road of heresy,please enlighten me as to what diety you believe in maddLlama, Is yours made up,is he /she real,what is this god to you,how do you communicate to it and what hope and purpose is there in following it.

I don't believe in any god.

I would be very interested to hear what others say about these gods people believe in,I mean the people w