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Old 02-27-2007, 07:53 PM
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How in the world can you claim that any other gods are unknown to the seeker? You have not seeked them out so you would not know. You want to believe that they are "figments of imaginations" so you can go on believing that your choice of deity is the only "real" one. Fact is, you cannot prove yours any more valid than anyone else's. You have put all your stock into a book that man has written with no outside facts to back it up. You are flying on your faith alone and are expecting everyone else to just buy into that faith and deny their own.

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I am not here to say they did'nt experience something
It may be real in their minds and may even be a spirit of sorts manifest itself as a god but I guess that is there experience.
According to scripture and experience there are demons manifested as angels of light
When you actually meet, encounter and experience the one true living God who is like no other,you will know.
He can prove himself to those who call out to him,but the question always is why won't they call out to him.
Is it because they know it will cost them something they are not ready to relinquish,like sin,are people blaming someone or something for not turning to God
My stock is in Christ and his spirit confirms everthing I need to know that heaven is my home ,my sins are forgiven and that I will live forever.
His spirit is the assurance the gaurantee that we are saved,scripture tells us that and I have personally experienced and ,oh what a life
What assurance do you or others have in your god or diety????
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:02 PM
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What assurance do you or others have in your god or diety????
Would you believe anyone if they said they have the same amount of assurance in their beliefs as you do? Even if they don't have a book to go on, they surely have personal conviction and spiritual experience, or else they wouldn't believe it were true.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:15 PM
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It won't be so much the path that you took as will it be the path (Jesus) you did'nt take and why.
There is much in scripture regarding what the outcome is to those who reject Jesus in this life
There will be no excuse for all that is known of God is already in everyone of us Romans 1
I believe many refuse to follow Jesus because of what pleasures and indulgences they will have to give up
No one will rebut God or demand an explaination as to why ,I think at that point we will all know where we went wrong ,why
I agree wholeheartedly with Scuba Pete when he said that those who choose love choose God. Jesus said that you had to go thru him in order to gain salvation. Has it ever occured to you that he wasn't talking about believing in a doctrine but instead saying that you have to choose love?

Yes, rejecting the path of love will bar us from paradise.
Yes, there is no excuse because love is already known in us.
Do not worship an idea. Surely that is idolatry.
Choose love.
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:16 PM
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If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"Do You think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing logic,reason,emperical evidence,refuting the christian theological doctrines ,evidence,historical/geographical studies,the bible,Jesus ,God Heaven,Judgement,hell punishment.
Or would you continue to refute ,justify,excuse yourself before God.
Would you blame God for not following after him because of the hypocracy,all the denominations,the conflict between the christian community,the atrocities of historical religion and so on.......

Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.
Would you at that point beg for mercy,or do you think you would submit to his decision of eternal punishment.
What would you do????
I am going to change some things around to make things more simple for myself. The question remains the same but some of the names have changed to protect the innocent.
So I die and I find myself in the presence of Bob the shoe salesman. Now I have been buying other peoples shoes my entire life and sure enough, the majority of Americans were right! Bob was selling the one and only true shoe. Would I blame Bob for not making clear the advertisements of this glorious shoe or would I beg for mercy or submit to his decision to spend eternity in the confines of his basement with all the smelly old shoes? I do not mean to belittle the Christian concept but to be truthful, I do not know God from Bob and if I were to be judged by Bob at the end of my existence and it was based solely on whether or not I believed and loved him and his shoes instead of my actions throughout my life, whether good or bad, then Bob can kiss my butt. Would I submit to his decision of eternal punishment? Not a chance in hell.
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Old 02-27-2007, 11:01 PM
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I am not here to say they did'nt experience something
It may be real in their minds and may even be a spirit of sorts manifest itself as a god but I guess that is there experience.
According to scripture and experience there are demons manifested as angels of light
When you actually meet, encounter and experience the one true living God who is like no other,you will know.
He can prove himself to those who call out to him,but the question always is why won't they call out to him.
Is it because they know it will cost them something they are not ready to relinquish,like sin,are people blaming someone or something for not turning to God
My stock is in Christ and his spirit confirms everthing I need to know that heaven is my home ,my sins are forgiven and that I will live forever.
His spirit is the assurance the gaurantee that we are saved,scripture tells us that and I have personally experienced and ,oh what a life
What assurance do you or others have in your god or diety????
Dude, this reads like all your other posts so far. "My experiences and knowledge outweigh yours...nananananana" and then random preaching down to those who believe differently. Like MadLlama essentially said, you wouldn't believe anyone else's experiences and convictions anyway. You equate them to the teachings of demons. Well, let me tell you something. If it be demons teaching me to love the earth, my fellow men and women, revere nature, have respect for all things on this earth and beyond, then it sounds to me as if my demons have a bigger heart than your "God".
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I am not here to say they did'nt experience something
It may be real in their minds and may even be a spirit of sorts manifest itself as a god but I guess that is there experience.
According to scripture and experience there are demons manifested as angels of light
When you actually meet, encounter and experience the one true living God who is like no other,you will know.
He can prove himself to those who call out to him,but the question always is why won't they call out to him.
Is it because they know it will cost them something they are not ready to relinquish,like sin,are people blaming someone or something for not turning to God
My stock is in Christ and his spirit confirms everthing I need to know that heaven is my home ,my sins are forgiven and that I will live forever.
His spirit is the assurance the gaurantee that we are saved,scripture tells us that and I have personally experienced and ,oh what a life
What assurance do you or others have in your god or diety????
So, your experiences are more valid than another's? What kind of BS is that? Are you really that arrogant to say 'my experiences are the real ones, and you're just hallucinating?' Many other religions teach love and kindness and helping others. What is better than that? How are they still sinners? These posts you make are all the same. Maybe you should consider the fact that the God you are describing asks for a alot more than necessary in life.
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I am not here to say they did'nt experience something
It may be real in their minds and may even be a spirit of sorts manifest itself as a god but I guess that is there experience.
According to scripture and experience there are demons manifested as angels of light
When you actually meet, encounter and experience the one true living God who is like no other,you will know.
He can prove himself to those who call out to him,but the question always is why won't they call out to him.
Is it because they know it will cost them something they are not ready to relinquish,like sin,are people blaming someone or something for not turning to God
My stock is in Christ and his spirit confirms everthing I need to know that heaven is my home ,my sins are forgiven and that I will live forever.
His spirit is the assurance the gaurantee that we are saved,scripture tells us that and I have personally experienced and ,oh what a life
What assurance do you or others have in your god or diety????
I'm just curious to know, if my god says that your god is a demon appearing as an angel of light as a counter to yours saying mine is, who can say which is more credible?
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If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"Do You think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing logic,reason,emperical evidence,refuting the christian theological doctrines ,evidence,historical/geographical studies,the bible,Jesus ,God Heaven,Judgement,hell punishment.
Or would you continue to refute ,justify,excuse yourself before God.
Would you blame God for not following after him because of the hypocracy,all the denominations,the conflict between the christian community,the atrocities of historical religion and so on.......

Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.
Would you at that point beg for mercy,or do you think you would submit to his decision of eternal punishment.
What would you do????
Your question makes the supposition that logic, reason and emperical evidence are somehow wrong and contrary to "god"; and your statement continues to indirectly claim that "the bible, Jesus, God Heaven, Judgment, hell punishment" and so on are realities. It is nearly impossible for me to respond to your OP in the manner that it is written because it is based on a supposition that I do not agree with.

My "refuting" of the various things that you mentioned and more are not because of misplaced blame. I state what I do because I truly believe I'm right.
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