Do You Think You Would Regret..... (Jesus, punishment, mystic, choices)

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by roli

On another note ,without my preaching to you,why is it specifically that you chose not to serve Christ and trust him for salvation

Because I don't believe it's the truth. I have tried to experience it as the truth in the past, but after a long time I realized that it wasn't, and I've been making my way through looking for exactly what that truth is since then. And, I think that I am getting closer to finding it.

I realize that you're not going to agree with me, but you asked why, and that's my answer.

[jmaster78]

to extend on my last point, how can there be so much diversity amongst christians with regards to the one and only object of their faith, the bible! i still don't get how some can view it as the absolute word of god, and others view it as an interpretation. ie some say there is a place called heaven out there in the yonder, while others say it is inside us. some say god will judge us according to a strict compliance check list, others say we will be judged individually according to how we judged others. there is no consistency with christianity, that may be why it is confusing to non-christians, it's like two different religions from two completely different bibles!

[CelticRavenwolf]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

The Fall was a horrible thing, for with sin came death, and with sin and death came all manner of terrible things on all creation. The wages of sin is death.

Umm, it was my understanding that A&E would have had to eat from the Tree of Life to gain immortality and not die, which is why God cast them out of the garden to begin with, so they wouldn't eat from that tree and become immortal.

Originally Posted by jmaster78

if that is the case then why all the friction between christians, jews, and muslims? surely they are three versions of the same message, just different ways of telling it!

Ah, but while the basic message and the God are the same, their beliefs differ on so much of the small stuff - don't eat pork, pork's okay, circumsicion, no circumsicion, marriage laws, etc - that they just can't agree. Most of them see their holy books as literal fact, but disagreement in its interpretation still runs rampant.

Those Christian/muslims/jews who consider the sacred texts to be guidelines rather that rigid laws tend to be far more open than hidebound traditionalists.

[jmaster78]

Originally Posted by CelticRavenwolf

Umm, it was my understanding that A&E would have had to eat from the Tree of Life to gain immortality and not die, which is why God cast them out of the garden to begin with, so they wouldn't eat from that tree and become immortal.



Ah, but while the basic message and the God are the same, their beliefs differ on so much of the small stuff - don't eat pork, pork's okay, circumsicion, no circumsicion, marriage laws, etc - that they just can't agree. Most of them see their holy books as literal fact, but disagreement in its interpretation still runs rampant.

Those Christian/muslims/jews who consider the sacred texts to be guidelines rather that rigid laws tend to be far more open than hidebound traditionalists.

it is strange that something different people are so adamant about, can be interpreted completely differently. ps. nice signature!

[CelticRavenwolf]

Thanks!

And yeah, it really is strange. Pot-a-to, pot-ah-to.

[roli]

Originally Posted by jmaster78

i don't get it! if you look at things from a christian point of view, would a god of peace, love and FORGIVENESS really dish out the ultimate punishment for eternity? he expects us to forgive others, yet refuses to forgive us? what ever happened to 'practice what you preach'?

The payment for our sins was upon Jesus at the cross, when we accept by faith ,believe and receive him and his sacrifice and make him lord(master) of our lives we are saved from the penalty and power of sin .
That simple ,faith is easy for us to operate in for every aspect of our lives ,except when it comes to trusting Christ

[wicca_woman]

no - i would not regret what i have done . All of thse "GODS" we seek are to be loving and understanding Gods , then it should not matter that we worshiped "this one or that one " it is more about HOW WE LIVED OUR LIVES . were we good people , honest , helpful to others ? that is what will count...

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by jmaster78

to extend on my last point, how can there be so much diversity amongst christians with regards to the one and only object of their faith, the bible! i still don't get how some can view it as the absolute word of god, and others view it as an interpretation. ie some say there is a place called heaven out there in the yonder, while others say it is inside us. some say god will judge us according to a strict compliance check list, others say we will be judged individually according to how we judged others. there is no consistency with christianity, that may be why it is confusing to non-christians, it's like two different religions from two completely different bibles!

Anyone who makes the Bible the object of their faith would be an idolator, not a Christian, so I don't think you mean that. The object of our faith is God the Holy Trinity. You probably actually meant the basis of our faith, but that attitude you describe is a relatively recent one (only about 500 years old) invented by the Reformers and is known as sola scriptura (Scripture alone in Latin). The vast majority of Christians reject that idea completely, even some Protestants and so your understanding is completely flawed. For those of us who do reject the idea (1.1 billion RCs, 250 million Orthodox and I don't know how many OOs, Anglicans and Mormons), the Bible is not the basis of our faith and never was. I'm not quite sure of the attitude in the latter two churches, but for us, the RCs and OOs, Scripture is simply the most important part of the Holy Tradition handed down from the Apostles as recorded by the Church. The Church precedes the Bible and is founded on the Incarnate Son of God, not the Bible. It's your assumption that all Christians are sola scripturalist Protestants that appears to be causing you problems.

James

[roli]

Originally Posted by wicca_woman

no - i would not regret what i have done . All of thse "GODS" we seek are to be loving and understanding Gods , then it should not matter that we worshiped "this one or that one " it is more about HOW WE LIVED OUR LIVES . were we good people , honest , helpful to others ? that is what will count...

Ther are however many different gods that are inanimate,figments of imaginations, mysterious and unknown to the seeker.
Jesus Christ is alive and the same yesterday today and forever,for those who would call on him,believe and receive him.

He reveals himself to the believer through his Holy Spirit