What is the goal of Religion? (Jesus, Moses, Earth, Buddhism)

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Rex

Teaching (preaching) and praying are not the same.

Yeshua went off by himself to pray. At no time does he pray in the public (as far as we know of).

I disagree, and as long as we are quoting scripture as evidence...

John 11:
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

Luke 3:
21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

John 17:

1 ¶ THESE words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


ETC, ETC.

[wizanda]

Who is John? Nicodemus? form of Nicholas? Doctrine of Nicolaitans (Revelation)? So whom said that?

Mat 20:23
(23) And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Mar 10:17-21
(17) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
(18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(19) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
(20) And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
(21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

So Yeshua did not say what is in John, else he is stupid?

So quit with proclaiming John Nicodemus of the Pharisee high council gospel above those of 3 witnesses, all saying very much the same of what he did say.

[Jonathan Rex]

Originally Posted by comprehend

I disagree, and as long as we are quoting scripture as evidence...

John 11:
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

Luke 3:
21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

John 17:

1 ¶ THESE words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


ETC, ETC.

Speaking out loud to God is not worshipping God. To Christians worshipping God is simply speaking to God. Christians have a deluded concept of what Worship truly means. Praying is not speaking to God. Prayer is worship. Talking is talking. If I talk to you, does that mean that I am worshipping you? Why then is talking to God considered Worship by Christians?

And btw, John 17 took place the night of his arrest. That was not in the public. He was alone with his disciples. (According to the book he went off alone by himself to pray too. Being outside is not the same as being in the public.)

Also, Luke was written by Paul's companion. Paul was a homosexual. I don't acknowledge Luke or Paul.

[joeboonda]

God bless the USA, where we still have freedom of religion.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Rex

What is the objective of individual religions?

Islam - To submit to Allah and do good
Christianity - To follow Yeshua's (Jesus) words, worship God and do good.
Judaism - To follow the law of Moses, worship God and do good.
Buddhism - To follow the teaching of Guatama, become a Buddha and do good.
Hinduism - To follow Krishna, and do good.
Zoroastrianism - To do as Zoroaster taught, and do good.
Taoism - Become one with the Tao, and do good.

There is a pattern here. This pattern has been ignored for thousands of years and has been replaced by dogmatic religious politics. The purpose of all religions was to establish a code of ethics by which the civilization lived unanimously and to take care of one another.

Whether you are Taoist, Confucian, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Christian, or a Muslim (or one of the many minor religions/cults around the world) the purpose of your belief system is to take care of other human beings and serve humanity by giving something back to the earth, while you are here.

What good is faith if your actions are dead?
What does it mean to believe in God if you do not take care of your brothers and sisters (other human beings)?

Even an Atheist or Feminist can agree on this objective, so what is holding us back?
Why can people not believe in God in their various different ways and worship in the privacy of their own home, in their various different ways and live their faith by taking care of each other instead of discussing their faith?

Anybody who has to convince another person of their beliefs, whether they be Christian or Atheist, is really trying to convince their self. They want other people to accept their views because they are not comfortable practicing their religion alone.

There are flaws in every religion and as long as human beings continue debating the flaws, we as a world will never transcend the nonsense and achieve World Peace.

Hi,

I have to disagree with your idea at least as far as my religion is concerned.

The "goal" or purpose of my religion is summed up in the Book of Moses:
Moses 1:39
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

This is what my religion is aiming for. Doing good, loving my neighbor, etc. is not a goal but a method and an evidence of what I believe.

This scripture also shows exactly why LDS must seek to convert people to our religion. Not because we are insecure in our beliefs as you have supposed but rather because the purpose of our religion is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of as many as possible. We believe certain ordinances must be performed for individuals in order for this to happen, therefore it is incumbent upon us to share the information with others.

Sorry to disappoint you but it really has nothing to do with wanting company or being insecure.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Rex

Speaking out loud to God is not worshipping God. To Christians worshipping God is simply speaking to God. Christians have a deluded concept of what Worship truly means. Praying is not speaking to God. Prayer is worship. Talking is talking. If I talk to you, does that mean that I am worshipping you? Why then is talking to God considered Worship by Christians?

And btw, John 17 took place the night of his arrest. That was not in the public. He was alone with his disciples. (According to the book he went off alone by himself to pray too. Being outside is not the same as being in the public.)

Also, Luke was written by Paul's companion. Paul was a homosexual. I don't acknowledge Luke or Paul.

you are attempting to switch words for the sake of your argument. We were not discussing "worshipping". You said

At no time does he pray in the public

You don't get to switch to "worship" now.

So, back to praying. It is context that tells us whether someone is praying or simply speaking. also, a major hint in the scriptures is where the word "pray" is used, that is generally an indication that it is going on...

Now, take a closer look at the scriptures I provided. They clearly say that Jesus prayed. and he does it publicly.

John 11:
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

Luke 3:
21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

John 17:

1 ¶ THESE words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


LOL. Oh, I see. so you call someone gay and then their writings don't count? So if I said you were gay would that mean I could say everything you just wrote has no signifigance?

What makes you think luke and paul were gay? Mighty convenient of you to just dismiss the books that prove you wrong. Why did Jesus accept Paul but you dont?

[Jonathan Rex]

Originally Posted by comprehend

Hi,

I have to disagree with your idea at least as far as my religion is concerned.

The "goal" or purpose of my religion is summed up in the Book of Moses:
Moses 1:39
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

This is what my religion is aiming for. Doing good, loving my neighbor, etc. is not a goal but a method and an evidence of what I believe.

This scripture also shows exactly why LDS must seek to convert people to our religion. Not because we are insecure in our beliefs as you have supposed but rather because the purpose of our religion is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of as many as possible. We believe certain ordinances must be performed for individuals in order for this to happen, therefore it is incumbent upon us to share the information with others.

Sorry to disappoint you but it really has nothing to do with wanting company or being insecure.

You're a Mormon, right?

[Jonathan Rex]

Originally Posted by comprehend

you are attempting to switch words for the sake of your argument. We were not discussing "worshipping". You said



You don't get to switch to "worship" now.

So, back to praying. It is context that tells us whether someone is praying or simply speaking. also, a major hint in the scriptures is where the word "pray" is used, that is generally an indication that it is going on...

Now, take a closer look at the scriptures I provided. They clearly say that Jesus prayed. and he does it publicly.

John 11:
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

Luke 3:
21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

John 17:

1 ¶ THESE words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


LOL. Oh, I see. so you call someone gay and then their writings don't count? So if I said you were gay would that mean I could say everything you just wrote has no signifigance?

What makes you think luke and paul were gay? Mighty convenient of you to just dismiss the books that prove you wrong. Why did Jesus accept Paul but you dont?

You are reading an English translation from a Greek translation of a man who spoke in Aramaic.

Yeshua did NOT worship God in public. He was a Nazarene. That is against the Nazarene Faith.

Do some research before you argue something you have absolutely no knowledge on. I don't care what "your" Bible says. Yeshua did not worship God in public. Speaking to God and Praying to God are not the same thing. When people worship God, they must prostrate themselves in that sense. There is also worship through actions. These are different words but they both mean worship English so this causes confusion. Prayer is another word for worship in english. But in Aramaic there is another word which refers to talking to God. Why are you arguing this? You worship what you do not know. You follow your televangelists (unwittingly) who are not giving people the Holy Spirit. Beware of those who claim to be selling you the Holy Spirit. They are demons in disquise.

If I speak to you am I praying to you?
Yes or no?

Let's use some common sense, please.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Rex

Yeshua did NOT worship God in public. He was a Nazarene. That is against the Nazarene Faith.

Nazarene has two meanings:

1. a person from Nazareth
2. a member of the Nazarene sect

Can you explain why the definition of "Nazarene" as applied to Jesus would be #2? Thanks.

Do some research before you argue something you have absolutely no knowledge on.

Always a good idea.