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Old 01-21-2007, 01:08 AM
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If you were to ponder upon the Universe and the order by which it is sustained by God, you would assuredly attest to some kind of Almighty Deity which keeps everything "flowing" and in constant change. Can God be absolutely proven? To those that look upon things with eyes not of this world and weigh God's eternal proofs without denial, He is proven unto them by the signs of Creation. You must have faith that a universe so vast and complex could not be created but by God Almighty.
And with such a vast and complex universe, wouldn't you think it folly to believe that we limited humans have the perception to conceptualize the birth (if it had one) of the universe?

Isn't the idea of a God just too easy? That such an immeasurable being is formed out of thin air and who conveniently solves all of humanity's philosophical problems. I do not profess to know how, why or if the universe was created. Indeed, I believe the answer is too complex for us to understand.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:29 AM
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The notion of God is not the easy way out of explaining things but is a way to rationalize the things of the world which cannot be fully grasped. The Universe, to my own personal belief, cannot just spring forth from nothing and cannot continue to change without a Supreme Power watching over it. Even if the "Big Bang" was indeed the beginning, how did such an event come to be? Where did the particles that initialized the bang come from? Believing in God is not the easy way out but is the best logical explanation to our being and the creation of the Universe.
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Okay, I think people still choose to believe in God because they would rather believe in something, then believe in nothing.
Ori it is not for that we believe. We believe because we are thankful, we believe because we are loyal, we believe because without God we won't even be here on this earth, we believe because we do submit to the One who created us, we believe because without belief life would be with no taste and with no aim and with no hope.

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I don't mind what anyone believes at the end of the day, as long as that belief doesn't harm anyone else.
The essence of belief is not to harm anyone.

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It is only irrational if you have not had a divine experience with your God. Because, until then, you will not know if He is there, and therefore would make it irrational
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Old 02-02-2007, 01:27 PM
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The notion of God is not the easy way out of explaining things but is a way to rationalize the things of the world which cannot be fully grasped.
But it isn't rational. There are an infinite number of possibilities that haven't been considered. To think that the nature of the universe and reality itself is within the reason of humans is absolutely ridiculous.

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The Universe, to my own personal belief, cannot just spring forth from nothing and cannot continue to change without a Supreme Power watching over it.
Then where did this supreme power come from? And why is this supreme being instantly associated with human spirituality?

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Even if the "Big Bang" was indeed the beginning, how did such an event come to be? Where did the particles that initialized the bang come from? Believing in God is not the easy way out but is the best logical explanation to our being and the creation of the Universe.
Open your mind. Haven't you considered that time doesn't follow the path of a line? Creation may not be necessary and considering the state of the "universe" ages ago, it may not even be a feasible or rational concept, especially when you stop looking at things from a human perspective.
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Old 02-02-2007, 01:36 PM
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It is only irrational if you have not had a divine experience with your God. Because, until then, you will not know if He is there, and therefore would make it irrational
They are still irrational because "divine experiences" are very easy to explain by biological science, psychology and laws of probability.

By the way, I have had "divine experiences" but I know my state of mind at the time and now understand what was actually going on. "Feeling" God is a form of self-hypnosis.
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I have seen quite few videos of top educated people in mathematics, evolution who have then believed in God.
As the chances of even one quantum forming to make a photon, to make an atom is astronomical....yet the fact it all remains is again puzzling it should still contain random variables, if it wasn't created....and things like symbiosis of the planet and our self’s is amazing also…evolution makes no sense.
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They are still irrational because "divine experiences" are very easy to explain by biological science, psychology and laws of probability.

By the way, I have had "divine experiences" but I know my state of mind at the time and now understand what was actually going on. "Feeling" God is a form of self-hypnosis.
I was just making a point to the people who believe those experiences are actual experiences with God
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