Heaven (Jesus, priests, reject, Moses, gospel)

[PetShopBoy88]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Heaven...............is a great song by Bryan Adams!!!!

And Warrant. Heaven isn't too far away. We're closer to it every day. No matter what your friends say.

[xexon]

Heaven is just your original home state.

It isn't "up there" somewhere beyond the clouds.

Its inside of you, as you. The door swings open... from inside. The gate is within. Just as Jesus and others have tried in vain to reveal.

The idea of it being an elevated place is inaccurate. It is an elevated state of consciousness. Elevated because of where you are now.

A low state of consciousness. Very low.


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[xexon]

Bump.



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[joeboonda]

The opening post concerns me greatly but I will just say a couple things. It is true that we should do what Jesus said, treat people how we would want to be treated, feed, clothe, teach, the poor, etc. But, doing those things will NOT earn a person a place in Heaven. Nobody can earn their way to Heaven by good works. The Bible says that we are saved by grace through faith in what Jesus did on the cross, that He paid for all our sins and offers salvation freely to anyone who trusts in Him. That we are saved UNTO good works, not by good works. Another thing, Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus in a very startling way to say the least. Paul is considered an apostle because of that, the least, but still an apostle. His and other NT epistles taught us how to conduct orderly worship, how to feed the poor, the widows, etc., and how to effectively live for the Lord and spread His Gospel. They met everyday for worship and study, and gave offering on the first day of the week, the day Christ rose from the dead. They admonished us not to forsake the asssembling of ourselves together, to edify each other, to learn, to produce missionaries, doctors, preachers, evangelists, to give and use the money to help the poor. There is nothing wrong with going to church and giving at your local church of your time, resources, and energy, etc. But, not to earn salvation, but because we already have been given eternal life freely, the moment we first believed in Jesus.

[xexon]

Your belief in Jesus will NOT get you into heaven.

Walking the path he laid out will.

But Christians are lead in the opposite direction. They are told to seek heaven beyond the sky. If you want to approach the gate, you must seek it from within your deepest self.

It exists nowhere else.


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[PetShopBoy88]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

The Bible says that we are saved by grace through faith in what Jesus did on the cross

Actually, it says we are saved by grace after we have faith and works.

[joeboonda]

Ephians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


The Bible CLEARLY teaches we are saved by faith, by simply believing in Jesus, and the above passage clearly teaches we are saved UNTO good works, that is the good works follow, are a result of our salvation, which is FREE, the moment we first believed:

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1. John 3:15
   That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
   John 3:16
   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
   John 3:18
   He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
   John 3:36
   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
   John 5:24
   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
   John 6:35
   And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
   And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
   John 6:47
   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
   John 7:38
   He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
   John 11:25
   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
   John 11:26
   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
   John 12:44
   Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
   John 12:46
   I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
   John 14:12
   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
   Acts 10:43
   To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
   Romans 1:16
   For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
   Romans 3:26
   To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
   Romans 4:5
   But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
   Romans 9:33
   As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
   Romans 10:4
   For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
   Romans 10:10
   For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   Romans 10:11
   For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
   1 Peter 2:6
   Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
   1 John 5:1
   Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
   1 John 5:5
   Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
2. 1 John 5:10
   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

[joeboonda]

Just a little more:

John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1. 6:29
   ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
2. 17:20
   Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
   20:31
   But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
   Acts 10:43
   To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
   13:39
3. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
4. 16:31
   And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
5. Romans 3:22
   Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe...
6. 3:26
   To declare...his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
   4:3
   For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
   4:5
   But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
   4:11
   ...that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
7. 4:24
   But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
8. 10:4
   For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
   10:9
   That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
   10:10
   For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   Galatians 2:16
   Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
9. 3:6
   Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
   3:22
   But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
   2 Thessalonians 1:10
   ...and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
10. 1 Timothy 1:16
    ... for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    2 Timothy 1:12
    ...for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
    Titus 3:8
    This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
    Hebrews 4:3
    For we which have believed do enter into rest...
11. 10:39
    ...but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    1 Peter 2:6
    Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
    1 John 3:23
    And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ...
12. 5:5
    Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
    5:10
    He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
    5:13
    These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
    

[xexon]

You're preaching to the choir.


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[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by xexon

You're preaching to the choir.


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Really? You just said:

Your belief in Jesus will NOT get you into heaven.

The Bible, as seen from my 2 posts above, teaches belief in Jesus will.