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Old 11-30-2006, 05:07 PM
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Christians are taught that Jesus had to die so that we might be saved? I thought God was all-powerful. Why would God make it so he had to go hang on a cross for six hours and die? Does this suggest there are other powers on the level with God?

I guess you could claim God is omnipotent and this was a demonstration of His love. But then I'd ask; suppose I shove an icepick into my eye to demonstrate my love to you when I could have just given you a hug instead. Am I then loving or just plain crazy? Is God crazy?
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Old 11-30-2006, 05:16 PM
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Do not betray what is in you for what is without-
For truth cometh into the world but by an Image- it is for this Image he died that they could never say of him- he did not love, he did not die.

No man will see the face of the father unless he believes that Christ died for it is the Image of the Reconciliation which is important

For a righteous man cannot be rightous unless Christ nullifies what is Righteous
for Rightousness and Evil are twins
WHen he died both were swallowed up leaving only one state

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Old 11-30-2006, 05:20 PM
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Do not betray what is in you for what is without-
For truth cometh into the world but by an Image- it is for this Image he died that they could never say of him- he did not love, he did not die.

No man will see the face of the father unless he believes that Christ died for it is the Image of the Reconciliation which is important

For a righteous man cannot be rightous unless Christ nullifies what is Righteous
for Rightousness and Evil are twins
WHen he died both were swallowed up leaving only one state

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I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you want to lead people to Christ I'd suggest learning how to better communicate with them. No offense intended.
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Old 11-30-2006, 05:24 PM
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Christians are taught that Jesus had to die so that we might be saved? I thought God was all-powerful. Why would God make it so he had to go hang on a cross for six hours and die? Does this suggest there are other powers on the level with God?

I guess you could claim God is omnipotent and this was a demonstration of His love. But then I'd ask; suppose I shove an icepick into my eye to demonstrate my love to you when I could have just given you a hug instead. Am I then loving or just plain crazy? Is God crazy?
Justice had to be satisfied...I'll get into this more later.
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Christians are taught that Jesus had to die so that we might be saved? I thought God was all-powerful. Why would God make it so he had to go hang on a cross for six hours and die? Does this suggest there are other powers on the level with God?
Numerous times in the New International Version of Genesis, God uses the plural when discussing his actions.

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image...'" - Genesis 1:26.
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there are 4 realities in the world
2 truths and 2 evils

1.The Truth as recorded in the Bible (also Scientific truth)
1. Truth which exist (before every notion of time , or notion of God)

3. Falsehood which is inherrently Evil
4. Truth (as defined in 1) which is mixed with Falsehood being neither one nor the other this is called the Middle or Death this is the worst state

When Christ died he extinquished 1,3 & 4
all that was left was Truth befoire any notion of Time, before any notion of God or Blessedness or Church

I hope you glean from this that which you seek
Continue to seek and you will be astonished
and you will laugh and then you will attain rest
as Christ rested

For a Righteous man is always at rest
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i believe it is because if God is the creater he has to follow the rules of his creation and obviously one of them was mans ability to sin, but he didnt want to be seperated from them forever so he scarificed Jesus for Satan to torture so that some people could be saved. At least that was my belief when I was a Christian.
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Christians are taught that Jesus had to die so that we might be saved? I thought God was all-powerful. Why would God make it so he had to go hang on a cross for six hours and die? Does this suggest there are other powers on the level with God?
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Justice had to be satisfied...I'll get into this more later.
If you believe in Him, how is there a "justice" outside of God's whim?
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