Emulation. (ritual, Creator, mystic, incarnation, spiritual)

Bouncing Ball · #1 06-19-2006, 03:36 AM

This world does not exist, you do not exist, air does not exist, love does not exist..
All that exist is this emulation of this world, my thought.
When you speak to me and tell me you do exist, that is only my thought speaking. There is only one soul. mine. It's as if there is only one dream that exists, and it dies with my death.

This entire story applies to you as well..

This is not what I believe, but it is a view on this world.
I wondered, is there a religion about this view?

eudaimonia · #2 06-19-2006, 05:06 AM

Solipsism comes closest, but I don't know of any solipsistic religions.

eudaimonia,

Mark

ikitikitembo · #3 06-21-2006, 08:44 PM

I doesn't seem to me like there would be a religion based on this. Certainly a worldview or belief system, but religion assumes a creator, and how can you believe in a creator if you don't believe in existence...

mr.guy · #4 06-21-2006, 09:04 PM

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but religion assumes a creator

Wrong.

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...how can you believe in a creator if you don't believe in existence.

Some consider this existence "unreal" in contrast to what they expect the "next" reality to be.
When probing the "how" of belief, the answer seems to often come up as "quite easily".

mr.guy · #5 06-21-2006, 09:10 PM

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This entire story applies to you as well...

...IF you were real.

ikitikitembo · #6 06-21-2006, 09:11 PM

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Wrong.

Really? Religion doesn't assume a creator or a spiritual superior? Could you explain?

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Some consider this existence "unreal" in contrast to what they expect the "next" reality to be. When probing the "how" of belief, the answer seems to often come up as "quite easily".

Strange. If they consider "this" existence unreal then how can there be a next existence? And how are they even anticipating one?

mr.guy · #7 06-21-2006, 09:32 PM

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Really? Religion doesn't assume a creator or a spiritual superior? Could you explain?

Sure. Religion doesn't assume a creator.

Is you appendice of "spiritual superior" not an acknowledgement of this?

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Strange. If they consider "this" existence unreal then how can there be a next existence? And how are they even anticipating one?

I can't speak for the sequence ordained or expected, but there's a buttload of mushy arguments we could explain that one away with. What difficulty have you with the concept of some future incarnation being mystically more real?

ikitikitembo · #8 06-21-2006, 10:42 PM

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Sure. Religion doesn't assume a creator.

Is you appendice of "spiritual superior" not an acknowledgement of this?

Pardon me for not being technical when i first said "creator". I was using it to describe a spiritual superior, or some spiritual being. Surely regligions assume these? If not then in what sense was he referring to religion? Worship? What would they be worshipping? Institutions? What are the institutions for?

But that's not the big picture. How can someone who doesn't believe in existence believe in anything? Existence is all we know...or should i say..."think".

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I can't speak for the sequence ordained or expected, but there's a buttload of mushy arguments we could explain that one away with. What difficulty have you with the concept of some future incarnation being mystically more real?

I have a problem with it because if you don't believe that existence (what you're "experiencing") is reality, then how can you possibly believe in something you're not even experiencing? You would have nothing to go by. It's just arbitrary belief. I mean, not having some degree of reason behind a belief to me sounds a little strange. I could see leaving the possibility open...but belief???

Bouncing Ball · #9 06-22-2006, 02:05 AM

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...IF you were real.
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That's not what I mean. What I mean is that the world is not here, only the illusion. There is in that case only one illusion; mine. But I couldn't explain that to you because you feel to be real as well. So in your case it would be only your imagination.

mr.guy · #10 06-22-2006, 09:06 AM

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Pardon me for not being technical when i first said "creator". I was using it to describe a spiritual superior, or some spiritual being. Surely regligions assume these?

Nope. Ontology may be aspected in certain religions, yet not the sum thereof, nor necessarily the presupposition of all established religions. While it may seem attractive, i'm not sure why heirarchy is your root definition of religion.

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If not then in what sense was he referring to religion? Worship? What would they be worshipping? Institutions? What are the institutions for?

Am we to understand that the ground floor to religion is a figurehead for worship?

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But that's not the big picture. How can someone who doesn't believe in existence believe in anything? Existence is all we know...or should i say..."think".

You've answered your own question. You needn't "know" anything to "believe", or "think" it. One can easily doubt the lucidity of current reality, ergo they may come to suspect something more "real" down the line.

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...if you don't believe that existence (what you're "experiencing") is reality, then how can you possibly believe in something you're not even experiencing?

Quite easily.