Self understanding (tradition, beliefs, verse, taoism)

[zenzero]

Friend willamena,
No need to thank me rather thank yourself as youhad a question and it got solbed by your own intellegence and understanding.
Similarly I have no live teacher around me nor do I seek one simply because I have come out of existence and have to go back there. And existence shows me the way when ever I need anything.
Remeber the Bob Dylan song which is something like this " The answere my friend, is blowing in the wind" All answeres are available HERE-NOW; just need the right person to ask. Nothing exists in a vaccum; something will come up from somewhere to fill that space; be sure of it.
Best wishes.
Love & rgds

[DallasApple]

It doesnt matter if its true or not..If your tooth is absessed and you are in agonizign pain you go to the dentist..If his remedy cures the infection then who cares if there is another "plane" or a different "sphere" where that wasnt "reality" ...Maybe you are having a nightmare..I dont know..

But thank god I have eyes and ears and a relatively normal brain that in my "nightmare" or my "reality I take steps to remedy pain in myself or others...

You can rip and tear and disect it all you want..But real or not. ....It needs to be adressed..

Hey ...but what if there is no it?...Sorry ...I dont understand why ya'll would want to go around and around with this...

I think we ALL percieve pain...weather its real or not..I think we all percieve joy and pleasure..

When someones mother dies I dont say..."Wow how sad ...but how do you know thats really happening? Can Ya prove it"? If so how?..OHHH I see...a dead body in a coffin...NOW can you "prove" to me what you are seeing and I am seeing is actually real?

I mean give me a break..Ya'll need to go swimming in the ocean or something...Then I can question you weather you "actually" swam in the ocean or if you even exist at all!

Hey "think" a tornado hit my house last week...and it tore down our fence...I THINK it cost us $300 to repair...But I wouldnt know..That could be something not real..I cant "prove it"...Even if YOU witnessed it YOU could be delusional too...

So why even talk?

Maybe we arent even talking..MAYBE we are in a spaceship...like The "matrix"..

I cant prove we arent...

Blessings

Dallas

[Rolling_Stone]

From some notes I was taking:

We see the world not as it is but as it is useful to us. In other words, our perception of reality is our best guess based on the experience of the individual and evolution. Some interpret this to mean that context is everything; I interpret it to mean relationship is everything. We are unique in the animal kingdom because we are constantly reevaluating our relationship with totality as individuals.


Different cultures and communities have different viewpoints of the world, conditioned over generations, an area that neuroscientists are just beginning to unpick. For example, Japanese people have a famous inability to distinguish between the “R” and the “L” sound. This arises because in Japanese the sounds are totally interchangeable. Neuroscientist Beau Lotto explains, “Differentiating between them has never been useful, so the brain has never learnt to do it. It's not just that Japanese people find it hard to tell the difference. They literally cannot hear the difference.” Examples like this abound.

[idea]

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

Perception of the outside world may or may not be true. How do we know that the floor is hard, or the air is cold, or water ripples? 8) How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?

Matt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

I think it is not through concentrating on who we are, but in concentrating on others and what is around us, that what everything is becomes apparent...

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

From some notes I was taking:
We see the world not as it is but as it is useful to us.

so to see the world as it is, we have to stop trying to force it to serve us... just let it be to see it.

lose yourself, your wants your needs, to see what is really around you - Heisenberg uncertainty principle, what you observe you alter and so you can never really honestly observe anything - you have to stop trying to observe yourself before you can understand yourself...

"who we are is who we are with others" - forget the exact quote, meaning, if you are angry, you are angry at another, if you are friendly, you are friendly to another. What you are, you are relative to another... So first lose yourself - let go of who you are and instead allow yourself to explore - unimpeded by personal wants and needs - what is around you. Once you are free to interact with what is around you in a free unmanipulative state of being, you find who you are - does that make sense?

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"Good morning," said the fox.
"Good morning," the little prince responded ...

The fox gazed at the little prince, for a long time.
"Please - tame me!" he said.
"I want to, very much," the little prince replied. "But I have not much time. I have friends to
discover, and a great many things to understand."
"One only understands the things that one tames," said the fox.

[d.]

"How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?"

how do we separate the two to begin with?

[stephenw]

What are we talking about when we talk about the self? The conscious self is only a facade I think. For me the self is the consistant me that resides in the awareness that lies before consciousness. The self is very well defended and only occasionally glimpsed. It appreciates things my conscious mind does not. If I could access it (the self) I believe a far greater understanding would follow.

[ben d]

Originally Posted by d.

"How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?"

'What' and 'who' is it that seeks to understand the self and from where does this presumption arise, that understanding of the self will lead to understanding of the world?

how do we separate the two to begin with?

'What' and 'who' is it that seeks to divide unity?