Taoism and the Force (mystic, experience, faith, Lord, philosophy)

[jonjohnrob11]

i analogue the great spirit to the Holy Spirit

[Master Vigil]

Well, it is analogous to god.

[jonjohnrob11]

the only force i believe in is Justified war.

[Master Vigil]

still wrong force. The force from star wars is the essence which causes everything, creates and destroys everything, binds all life together, allows for enlightenment, it is like the Tao. Or like chi, which the Tao produces.

[jonjohnrob11]

we have free will or the right to make choices good or bad. laws legislate morals and sometimes have to be enforced by sending someone to prison to be disciplined and rehabillated. the type of force u mention sounds like we haven't a choice. belief in God states we were made in his image, free-will included. sounds like a dull world if our choices are made for us, indeed it would be.

[Master Vigil]

The force does not dictate anything. Neither does the Tao. I also do not find it logical that we were made in gods image, especially the fact that god is perfect, omnipotent, and solely good. We have none of these traits. And to say that god is loving is a contradiction to his perfection. For one cannot love perfectly and damn perfectly. Also with the idea of free will. If god is omnipotent, than why did god not give us perfect free will, where even given choices, we were made to always choose good. Being that god did not, and evil still exists shows gods limit on his omnipotence. And if god isn't omnipotent, than god is not god. Now, the force, as with the Tao, is not solely good, or solely evil but is the perfect balance between them. Does not have gender for a perfect essence would not need it. Has no human characteristics because it is not human at all. The idea of the judeo christian god has too many holes therefore I don't believe "He" exists. I am not atheist however, but Taoist.

[Master Vigil]

The force does not dictate anything. Neither does the Tao. I also do not find it logical that we were made in gods image, especially the fact that god is perfect, omnipotent, and solely good. We have none of these traits. And to say that god is loving is a contradiction to his perfection. For one cannot love perfectly and damn perfectly. Also with the idea of free will. If god is omnipotent, than why did god not give us perfect free will, where even given choices, we were made to always choose good. Being that god did not, and evil still exists shows gods limit on his omnipotence. And if god isn't omnipotent, than god is not god. Now, the force, as with the Tao, is not solely good, or solely evil but is the perfect balance between them. Does not have gender for a perfect essence would not need it. Has no human characteristics because it is not human at all. The idea of the judeo christian god has too many holes therefore I don't believe "He" exists. I am not atheist however, but Taoist.

[jonjohnrob11]

God doesn't force us to love him or anyone else, otherwise we would just be robots. thank the Lord for free-will.

[Master Vigil]

WRONG FORCE!!! Stop thinking of the idea of "force" meaning to force something to happen, or force people to do something. Or physical force, or anything like that. Think of "force" as in A powerful effect or influence, or energy that causes all, or may the force be with you. I think thats the key, stop thinking of it as "force." And think of it as "The Force."

[Master Vigil]

And if god doesn't force love, than he allows for evil. And that is a contradiciton to the nature of god. And therefore free will is a contradiction to the nature of god.