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Old 06-18-2006, 03:41 PM
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People who express an interest in Taoism sometimes say that the world is perfect or something to that sentiment e.g. everything is as it is and as it should be. I was wondering if others had come across this. What do you make of it?
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In a metaphysical sense perhaps, but we don't live in a metaphysical world.

Voltaire's Candide is a largely a parody of this philosophy. Check it out. It's a good read.
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Old 06-18-2006, 04:23 PM
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I might. I just read a synopsis of the book. Sounds interesting but I'm not sure I would find anything I'm not already very familiar with.

I'm reaching out here, not sure what I'm asking. Taoism suggests that there is a way to be, a way that things should be, and in a deep sense actually are.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:32 AM
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It is as it must be. Hmmm. As it is, should be or should not be have no relevance? Words really are troublesome

The world is not perfect, it is not imperfect; it is as it is and it is nothing like it. Any interpretation of this leads astray? No way to defend against reality, no way to attack it. The Way is not a choice or a preference or a doctrine or a quality?

I woke up yesterday and I was happy. There was no escape from sadness, and thus it wasn't really sadness and it wasn't really happiness. It was like being the right person, in the right place, in the right time; having always been so. Without difference there is no right and wrong person, place or time. The whole world turns inside out and yet nothing changes.

Ahh this is pointless. Wampus is having a good time while he is having a tough time, that is all.
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I have often expressed sentiments such as this over the years, however I do not subscribe to the concept of "perfection" per se. The way I mean it is, everything is perfect in its imperfections and not that everything is as it should be, but rather, everything is as it MUST be.
Fascinating concept.............I like it (or rather I don't, because I am an idealist, oh heck.........)
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everything is as it is and as it should be. I was wondering if others had come across this. What do you make of it?
Everything is what it is and thus as it should be. If it were meant to be something else other than what it is at the time that is now, then it would be something else and not what it is. Thus things are as they should be by things being what they are.

(confused?)

I'll take it in two different ways here:

(God believers): If God is all knowing and has a plan for all things, then everything is as it should be right now for it is God's plan to be the way it is at any given time.

(Atheists): If there is no God, then things just are what they are. It doesn't matter what they are, it just matters what it is for the time you are here. Thus, everything is what it is by being what it is and that is the way things should be while here.

Hope that helps. As YmirGF has stated

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He and I are one, not two.
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I shall not fret, nor willfully plan.
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WOW. Nice! I like the "He and I are one, not two." part.

He does indeed want me here, now, as I am. We think that if we just get a little more holy. Or a little kinder we will be where we are meant to be. But Here and Now is all we can live.
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People who express an interest in Taoism sometimes say that the world is perfect or something to that sentiment e.g. everything is as it is and as it should be. I was wondering if others had come across this. What do you make of it?
I think everything is as it is NOW. As it should be.... mmmnnn I don't think I can agree with that for reasons that my finger does not descend upon so easily.

I think it has something to do with how things SHOULD be. Things are as they are. Not as they SHOULD be.
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Everything that is now forms the things that should be or could be. This has a little predestination or destiny sound to it.
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