Proof Of The Power Of The Tao!!! (mystic, experience, Christ)

[the_Unknown]

Someone asked about training and proof of the Tao earlier.

I was a bit bored so my little brother and I went out and recorded some videos with my cell phone today.

Watch what I am able to do by using the principles of the tao and intuitively moving:

http://www.christophercoggins.com/_v...nja_dload.html


I must add that I am not a gymnast or a martial artist.

I'm far from perfect, but how many 'normal' people can just get up and do this without any stretching or practice?

And yes, I can repeat my performance.

I think this is how martial arts were originally created.

People just go out and do things- and if they work, then they work.

[Master Vigil]

Originally Posted by the_Unknown

I must add that I am not a gymnast or a martial artist.

That is apparent, however coordinated individuals should be able to do a front walk over/handspring quite easily. One does not need gymnastic or martial arts experience. Now, try using Tao and do a corkscrew, or a back 180 tuck, or a B-twist, etc... That's a little different.

I'm far from perfect, but how many 'normal' people can just get up and do this without any stretching or practice?

Alot.

And yes, I can repeat my performance.

Most can.

I must also point out that even those who are able to perform these feats without any proper training, always end up hurting themselves. Either by falling wrong, or just screwing up their back. Take Steve Terada for example, probably one of the most gifted, and amazing extreme martial artists today... but he has no real gymnastics training so he spends ALOT of time at the chiropractor. I'm not sure if that is "with Tao."

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I think this is how martial arts were originally created.
People just go out and do things- and if they work, then they work.

Well it depends on what story you hear. If you accept the story that martial arts was developed in china, then "just going out and doing things" is a bit short on the explanation. Their martial arts were developed by watching animals fight, and mimicking the animals movement.

The striking martial arts of Korea and Japan were most likely started in Korea as Tae Kyon, which was an intensive study of body mechanics, hip placements, pressure points, and getting proper waist position for kicks above the waist.

As for the Nin (ninja), their martial arts are considerably less "stylized" than the other martial arts being that they did more of what you said. They were farmers, and had to use whatever means they could to defend themselves and their farms. Bujinkan Ninjutsu now is much different, and more stylized than say... the koga ryu clan's taijutsu which is a more "get it done, get it done fast, and get it done quietly" concept.

Nevertheless, nicely done! And with more practice and training you may make a good gymnast or martial artist.

[MysticSang'ha]

One very remarkable example of harnessing "chi" was during one of our T'ai Chi classes I was in. Our teacher gave a demonstration showing just how powerful one can become by harnessing "chi."



Our teacher wasn't too wimpy, mind you, but he was no heavyweight champion boxer. He demonstrated the power of chi by holding out his arm at a 90-degree angle, standing very calmly, and had a very large man hang from his arm.




A 230 pound man was literally hanging from our teacher's arm. And all the while our teacher wasn't sweating it at all. He had his eyes closed, with a calm and serene presence. It was very impressive!




A bit off-topic, maybe? I couldn't help but share that story.






Peace,
Mystic

[Master Vigil]

Originally Posted by MysticSang'ha

A bit off-topic, maybe? I couldn't help but share that story.

Not off topic at all. I remember back in high school we did this excercise in Anatomy and Physiology where we had to stand and hold our Anatomy books straight out at a 90 degree angle. Needless to say I wasn't that popular in high school, but everyone knew my martial arts background. So I decided to really focus and use my chi to hold up this book, especially since it was a competition. (I think the winner got like 35 bonus points on the final or something weird like that). Needless to say, after about 7 minutes, all of the big huge football players were out, as well as the wrestlers, swimmers, etc... And there was little 150lb me, still goin strong. I held that book for 13 minutes (and like 5 seconds, the bell wrang). I had won, and beaten everyone else in the school, past and present by 5 minutes. Sadly, it didn't make me popular, just more of a freak.

[MysticSang'ha]

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

Not off topic at all. I remember back in high school we did this excercise in Anatomy and Physiology where we had to stand and hold our Anatomy books straight out at a 90 degree angle. Needless to say I wasn't that popular in high school, but everyone knew my martial arts background. So I decided to really focus and use my chi to hold up this book, especially since it was a competition. (I think the winner got like 35 bonus points on the final or something weird like that). Needless to say, after about 7 minutes, all of the big huge football players were out, as well as the wrestlers, swimmers, etc... And there was little 150lb me, still goin strong. I held that book for 13 minutes (and like 5 seconds, the bell wrang). I had one, and beaten everyone else in the school, past and present by 5 minutes. Sadly, it didn't make me popular, just more of a freak.

Well done, M_V!



Did you get the bonus points on your test?




Peace,
Mystic

[the_Unknown]

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

That is apparent, however coordinated individuals should be able to do a front walk over/handspring quite easily. One does not need gymnastic or martial arts experience. Now, try using Tao and do a corkscrew, or a back 180 tuck, or a B-twist, etc... That's a little different.

Alot.

Most can.

I must also point out that even those who are able to perform these feats without any proper training, always end up hurting themselves. Either by falling wrong, or just screwing up their back. Take Steve Terada for example, probably one of the most gifted, and amazing extreme martial artists today... but he has no real gymnastics training so he spends ALOT of time at the chiropractor. I'm not sure if that is "with Tao."

'Well it depends on what story you hear. If you accept the story that martial arts was developed in china, then "just going out and doing things" is a bit short on the explanation. Their martial arts were developed by watching animals fight, and mimicking the animals movement.

The striking martial arts of Korea and Japan were most likely started in Korea as Tae Kyon, which was an intensive study of body mechanics, hip placements, pressure points, and getting proper waist position for kicks above the waist.

As for the Nin (ninja), their martial arts are considerably less "stylized" than the other martial arts being that they did more of what you said. They were farmers, and had to use whatever means they could to defend themselves and their farms. Bujinkan Ninjutsu now is much different, and more stylized than say... the koga ryu clan's taijutsu which is a more "get it done, get it done fast, and get it done quietly" concept.

Nevertheless, nicely done! And with more practice and training you may make a good gymnast or martial artist.

Yeah, it was just this ongoing joke with my friends that i'm this ninja. So, we decided to go out and try to emulate my friend's cheezy martial arts videos.

I was pretty surprised how it came afterwards.

I might make some more, but ppl are always going to be like... yeah let's see you fly, or jump off a building, or how about walk through fire, etc etc.

My point was just that you can do something natural and on the first try by being spontaneous as the Tao, not so much to show off.

[Master Vigil]

Originally Posted by MysticSang'ha

Well done, M_V!

Did you get the bonus points on your test?

Why yes I did.

Originally Posted by the_Unknown

My point was just that you can do something natural and on the first try by being spontaneous as the Tao, not so much to show off.

I understand, and since alot of coordinated people can do this, it shows that it is very natural.

I just disagreed that that was how martial arts came to be, and that many people can just get up and do it without practice or training. Front walkovers/handsprings are quite easy. That's all.

[Master Vigil]

If anyone is interested in seeing some really amazing martial artists, this site is chock full of video's and links.

http://www.bilang.com

[the_Unknown]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

^^^ What he said. ^^^^

Promising, but pretty basic stuff. Harnessing "chi" or "energy" is another thing altogether.

With practice anybody can do choreographed moves, or lift something heavy, be good at a video game, or whatever, but what about without practice?

One of the aspects people overlook is the first line of the Tao Te Ching which clearly states that the Tao cannot be followed.

This means you cannot train or 'practice' the Tao.

You can also not have a teacher or someone show you how to use the Tao either.

When you train or practice something you're specializing yourself.

You're giving up a part of yourself in exchange for something else. The Tao doesn't change, it's eternal.

There is no need to balance or train to use the Tao.

Training and practice is also not spontaneous or natural - that's also key.

In short, the only way you can test the Tao is to demonstrate it through faith in something you have no expertise or skill in -it either comes or it doesn't.

The Tao isn't something fancy either, it simply is.