The Status of Jesus (Messiah, crucified, virgin, beliefs, hell)

[MyFury]

I understand that it's generally accepted in Islam that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin. I also understand that Jesus is not considered the son of God. The two lines of thought seem mutually exclusive to me. Can anyone explain it a little more clearly to me?

[.lava]

Originally Posted by MyFury

I understand that it's generally accepted in Islam that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin. I also understand that Jesus is not considered the son of God. The two lines of thought seem mutually exclusive to me. Can anyone explain it a little more clearly to me?

hi,

Islam doesnot 'generally' accept that. it is written in Qur'an that she was untouched. completely clean.

the son of God idea puts Mary(PBUH) and God together as if they were husband and wife. as God isnot a creature, it is also not male and not human.

Mary(PBUH) was a chosen woman. she was protected from all kinds of evil. she was untouched by all means. she spent her life away from world and its desires. there is no woman higher than her, so she is one unique example for all women. when Gebrail (PBUH) appeared to her and told her God would give her a son -the Messiah, she was surprised. she asked Gebrail(PBUH) how would she have a baby as she was one person who's not even touched by man once. Gebrail(PBUH) said that is easy for God and she already started to carry her son even before they finished their conversation.

ordinary pregnancy is not done by us either. it is God's will. the birth of Jesus (PBUH) of course was a great sign for disbeliever of that time. Jews thought Mary (PBUH) was a liar.that she had an affair. but they couldnot say a word when newborn baby Jesus (PBUH) actually talked to them and said He is the Messiah, the Prophet of God.

[Lecter]

Originally Posted by MyFury

I understand that it's generally accepted in Islam that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin. I also understand that Jesus is not considered the son of God. The two lines of thought seem mutually exclusive to me. Can anyone explain it a little more clearly to me?

Also just to add a little something... Here's how the Qur'an puts it:

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [3:59]

God created Adam when he had no parents at all, does that mean God is both his parents? Of course not. So if God can easily create someone with no parents, wouldn't it be easier for him to create someone with just one parent? See my point?

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Lecter

Also just to add a little something... Here's how the Qur'an puts it:

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [3:59]

God created Adam when he had no parents at all, does that mean God is both his parents? Of course not. So if God can easily create someone with no parents, wouldn't it be easier for him to create someone with just one parent? See my point?

i don't think we were created when we were born. we did exist before that.
besides, this life here is an exam. for that matter, wife is a subject of exam to her husband and husband also is an exam to his wife. children are as well a matter of learning 'yourself'. all is there as an experience. but of course God could do anything. God also beyond time and therefor God knows if i would end up in hell or in heaven. but it doesnot send me there before i personally earn it.

[yousaf]

as muslims we have to believe jesus to be a prophet of god and he had a virgin birth, he perfomed many miracles etc. we dont believe he was crucified either as the quraan says it was only made to appear so

[sallieran]

As a Christian, I am curious about some of the responses here. My purpose is not to offend or debate, but to understand because I am ignorant of many of Muslim beliefs.

1. If Muhammed was the primary prophet, the seal and perfect example for all Muslims, wouldn't one of his wives or daughters have been the primary example of a woman instead of Mary the mother of a secondary prophet?

2. It is my understanding that Muslims believe that there are many misinterpretations and deviations from what was origionally there, so do you believe that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus? If so, then why would it be important if Jesus was born from a virgin?

3. You refer to Jesus as "messiah." This confuses me greatly because this means "deliverer." As a Christian, I believe that Jesus delivered us from our sins, something that only God could do. Why do you refer to him as messiah?

Thank you for your time in consideration of this post and I appreciate any and all answers to my questions. I'm just very curious.

[yousaf]

Originally Posted by sallieran

As a Christian, I am curious about some of the responses here. My purpose is not to offend or debate, but to understand because I am ignorant of many of Muslim beliefs.

1. If Muhammed was the primary prophet, the seal and perfect example for all Muslims, wouldn't one of his wives or daughters have been the primary example of a woman instead of Mary the mother of a secondary prophet?

2. It is my understanding that Muslims believe that there are many misinterpretations and deviations from what was originally there, so do you believe that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus? If so, then why would it be important if Jesus was born from a virgin?

3. You refer to Jesus as "messiah." This confuses me greatly because this means "deliverer." As a Christian, I believe that Jesus delivered us from our sins, something that only God could do. Why do you refer to him as messiah?

Thank you for your time in consideration of this post and I appreciate any and all answers to my questions. I'm just very curious.

1) great question, you see there are 4 women examples a) mary mother of jesus
b) asya wife of pharoah,
c) khatija wife of prophet(pbuh)
and fatima daughter of prophet (may allah be pleased with them all

so its not just mary (pbuh)n example for muslim women but that shows that muhhamad(saw) did not just speak of himself, did not give him self all the credit but gave it to those who deserved it

2)yes we believe mary was virgin when she gave birth, this would be a sign of god that when god wants to create something all he says is be and it is. so jesus being born to virgi was something that god willed , its an important belief to muslims

3)according to wikipedia mesiah = annointed one= chosen one , also according to you deliverer so he was the chosen one , he has been chosen to defeat antiChrist before judgment day or he could be the deliverer of the message of god the injeel

[yirme]

Originally Posted by MyFury

I understand that it's generally accepted in Islam that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin. I also understand that Jesus is not considered the son of God. The two lines of thought seem mutually exclusive to me. Can anyone explain it a little more clearly to me?

cattle are born everyday from virgin cattle, does that make them sons of God?.
God does not beget children.
actually the gospels do not say jesus is the son of God either(at least not anymore than we are all sons of God-psalms 82), the word "monogenes" is intentionally mistranslated as "only begotten son" when the accurate translation is "unique". he was indeed unique.

peace

[yirme]

Originally Posted by sallieran

As a Christian, I am curious about some of the responses here. My purpose is not to offend or debate, but to understand because I am ignorant of many of Muslim beliefs.

1. If Muhammed was the primary prophet, the seal and perfect example for all Muslims, wouldn't one of his wives or daughters have been the primary example of a woman instead of Mary the mother of a secondary prophet?

2. It is my understanding that Muslims believe that there are many misinterpretations and deviations from what was origionally there, so do you believe that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus? If so, then why would it be important if Jesus was born from a virgin?

3. You refer to Jesus as "messiah." This confuses me greatly because this means "deliverer." As a Christian, I believe that Jesus delivered us from our sins, something that only God could do. Why do you refer to him as messiah?

Thank you for your time in consideration of this post and I appreciate any and all answers to my questions. I'm just very curious.

peace,

1. muhammad was not the primary prophet, he was the seal of the prophets, "the prophet" as prophesized in the torah; the "helper", the "spirit of truth" jesus tells us will come after him (john15:26). it was typical of prophets to announce the next prophet, as john announced jesus. the quran tells us to make no difference between the prophets, and muhammad taught there were 124,000 prophets.
2.she was a virgin when jesus was born, but had other children after that. surah 19 is called 'mary'.
3. he is the one annointed by God, he specifically taught against animal sacrifice (humans are animals), as did many prophets for hundreds of years before him. the murder of an innocent human is forbidden by God and the prophets, so this could not logically be a way of removing sins, but it would instead add another sin. our good deeds with a selfless intention deliver us from sins, following the law, as jesus told us (matthew 5:17-19), delivers us from sins. doing what God tells us to do, through prophets and messengers, delivers us from sins. so his teachings can deliver us from sins if they are followed, but his claimed murder on the cross cannot deliver anyone from sins. jesus will come back in the end times with another(elijah, john, mahdi or whatever name you prefer to give him) to remove evil from earth.

wa peace

[DallasApple]

Mary got pregnant..

She had Jesus...

He lived a life of no sin..

He was tortured and cucified for us..

Dallas