The Status of Jesus (Messiah, crucified, virgin, beliefs, hell)

[yirme]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Mary got pregnant..

She had Jesus...

He lived a life of no sin..

He was tortured and cucified for us..

Dallas

actually, islam does not teach that murder is the way to salvation, that is a teaching of christianity(a teaching of paul of tarsus, the dajjal murder and persecutor of the muslim followers of jesus). islam teaches against murder, just as jesus, a muslim, taught against it. the quran specifically says that jesus was not killed when christians say he was crucified.
to say that murder atones for sin is illogical, satanic, and anti-christ (since jesus christ specifically taught against murder and animal/human sacrifice-as did prophets for many years before him, as is clear in the bible).

peace

[OutOfTime]

Originally Posted by Lecter

God created Adam when he had no parents at all, does that mean God is both his parents? Of course not. So if God can easily create someone with no parents, wouldn't it be easier for him to create someone with just one parent? See my point?

yeah i never thought about it like that, makes perfect sense. so that interests me. i've heard about this before, why don't muslims believe jesus was killed? what do they believe happened to him?

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by OutOfTime

why don't muslims believe jesus was killed?

God would never have allowed such an injustice to occur.

Originally Posted by OutOfTime

what do they believe happened to him?

Surah 4:157 Did Jesus die?

[Afrikaner]

Originally Posted by Lecter

Also just to add a little something... Here's how the Qur'an puts it:

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [3:59]

God created Adam when he had no parents at all, does that mean God is both his parents? Of course not. So if God can easily create someone with no parents, wouldn't it be easier for him to create someone with just one parent? See my point?

God did not Create Adam.

He begot Adam...and the Q'uran specifically rejects the idea that God Begot anyone, it is said in the Q'uran that "God does not beget nor is he gotten".

This is SO FUNDAMENTALLY important in the differences between Islam and Christianity.

Regardless of what you are told...Islam rejects the idea that Man is like God in the way a son is like his father.

Christianity embraces this idea...and states also that God begot Christ.

[yousaf]

Originally Posted by Afrikaner

God did not Create Adam.

He begot Adam...and the Q'uran specifically rejects the idea that God Begot anyone, it is said in the Q'uran that "God does not beget nor is he gotten".

This is SO FUNDAMENTALLY important in the differences between Islam and Christianity.

Regardless of what you are told...Islam rejects the idea that Man is like God in the way a son is like his father.

Christianity embraces this idea...and states also that God begot Christ.

you believe adam was begotten but begetting is an animal act . we believe he was created

[Afrikaner]

Originally Posted by yousaf

you believe adam was begotten but begetting is an animal act . we believe he was created

Well I want to be careful that we aren't also getting "lost in translation"

I think the word begotten as we understand it may not mean the animal act of sex...but the idea of creating something as yourself, like you have created a child, it is not a half-monkey half-dog child, it is another human...that is begetting...the act of sex is irrelevant.

Creating is like...I make a statue, it may look like me, it may even have an expression...but it is not a human...that is creation...I making something that isn't me.

And it is the fundamental belief of Abrahamic religions that God made man in His image...that is begetting...He created the Universe...see the difference?

Now if Islam rejects the idea that he Begot us - it would be along the lines that they refuse to think that men are in fact exactly like God except not as much as God as himself...

They would argue that we are no different than any of his other creations...and therefore we have no relation with God other than we are his subjects.

That may very well be the case with Islam, and if it is so it is plainly a bad idea to have...it removes any responsibility from mankind other than that responsibility imposed upon us by some imaginary figure that is dreamed-up by our religious leaders.

It's a fundamentally philosophical problem in the idea of Islam.

[yousaf]

Originally Posted by Afrikaner

Well I want to be careful that we aren't also getting "lost in translation"

I think the word begotten as we understand it may not mean the animal act of sex...but the idea of creating something as yourself, like you have created a child, it is not a half-monkey half-dog child, it is another human...that is begetting...the act of sex is irrelevant.

Creating is like...I make a statue, it may look like me, it may even have an expression...but it is not a human...that is creation...I making something that isn't me.

And it is the fundamental belief of Abrahamic religions that God made man in His image...that is begetting...He created the Universe...see the difference?

Now if Islam rejects the idea that he Begot us - it would be along the lines that they refuse to think that men are in fact exactly like God except not as much as God as himself...

They would argue that we are no different than any of his other creations...and therefore we have no relation with God other than we are his subjects.

That may very well be the case with Islam, and if it is so it is plainly a bad idea to have...it removes any responsibility from mankind other than that responsibility imposed upon us by some imaginary figure that is dreamed-up by our religious leaders.

It's a fundamentally philosophical problem in the idea of Islam.

the thing is your trying to prove the quraan wrong using the bible, you can't do that what you ahve to do is bring another source from outside to check which book is correct eg. check is the book compatible with modern science

[nuaeman]

Originally Posted by OutOfTime

yeah i never thought about it like that, makes perfect sense. so that interests me. i've heard about this before, why don't muslims believe jesus was killed? what do they believe happened to him?

Can I ask you back why christian believe Jesus was die and being crucified? Yeah, muslim strongly believe Jesus was not killed and God replace him with someone who betray him. That person look alike Jesus but he is not real Jesus. The real Jesus already taken by God and one day God will bring back Jesus to the world.