Moon Sightings (rejecting, Earth, Ramadan, tradition, homosexuals)

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Originally Posted by The Truth

I meant that we can't say that their fasting might be unvalid as you said in your pervious post. If it happened that they disagree so it wasn't because of vain desires but by reasoning the wisdom in sighting the moon whether they agree or disagree.

Aki, When Allah says in the Quran to look for the Moon, yet a muslim feels that going off of calculations is better. what is vain desire. You desire to do what Allah says or not. If you do other wise what is the reason honestly for them to do it. It is spelled out for us clearly in the Book of Allah. So if one chooses science over the Truth of Quran then what is next. That is literally like saying Allah's command is not sufficient and is not is what is best for us, we need another method. Come on now you and I both know better than that.

Do you know what is the problem?

When two countries near to each other start fasting Ramadan in different days. Why is that?

It wouldn't matter because if Saudi saw the moon, they naturally would see it before us because they are ahead of us 1/2 a day anyways. And if they saw it We would find out.

I'm with you in the matter of sighting the moon and i'm with the traditional way described in the Sunnah but i was making a point that Muslims might disagree in fasting Ramadn even in the same country which is totally insane.

exactly

This year in Ramadan which we just finished fasting it, in Saudi Arabia the month of Sha'aban finished only in the 29th because they saw the moon, here in Malaysia we started fasting after finishing Sha'aban as 30 days as usual because in the Malaysian calender, Ramadan is already setteled and this is wrong in my oppinion but we were told by many scholars when we asked them about it to follow the Muslim community in Malaysia whatever their way is in counting the days. The difference between Malaysia was only 1 day but if Saudi Arabia decided at the end of Ramadan to fast only 29 days it would be 2 days difference for the first time, thank God they finished it as 30 days because they didn't see it.

Subhanallah

I'm not with the opinion which state that they should use fixed time and calculations but i would like to ask what about seeing the moon from the Space at the end of Sha'aban to see the moon, what do you think?

It's not fixed but they will use the same method in seeing the moon but instead of seeing it from earth, they will watch it from the Space to be more accurate, what do you think?

Eh if you are in space you will see it when others will not anyways. the ship could travel at the same rate as the earth and see it half of the day. if it hovers it could see it continuously. We must site it from earth. This is our abode and where the rulings of certain issues apply. Not saying that there is no room for debate on the rulings for if we are in space but the rulings for what to do while on earth are clear.

[ALI JAAN]

its a well balanced arguement but needs to be tackled from a modern islamic perspective

[yousaf]

you should use the moon sighting method calculation has got no space whatsoever in Islam
if its for eid than a big group of pious males will be needed but if its ramadhaan a few pious people will suffice