The Sufi and the Whore (Wahab, mercy, islam, Sunni)

[john313]

The Sufi and the Whore



This is a tale of a sufi sheikh

Traveling with a man who lived for the sunnah’s sake.

After several hours they approached a flooded river bed.

Along the bank was a woman in red.

She said, “can you help me across the river?”

The sunni just stood there and started to quiver.

He then turned away, he did not want to look

At this scandalous woman not of the book.

The sufi walked up and said, “get on my shoulders”

He then proceeded to navigate the underwater boulders.

They hit the other bank and he set her down

With a slight bow he said wa salaam.

She offered 2 schillings, it was all she had

“I have no use for money” the sufi plainly said.

Somewhat shocked, she went on her way

The sunni obviously had something to say.

But he spoke not a word for almost an hour

They continued to walk until his face turned sour.

The sufi looked over, “what’s troubling you?”

“The woman at the river, what did you do?

To touch a woman like that is haram its clear,

But you did it anyway, are you a kafir?”

The sufi just smiled and contained his laughter

“You still carry her around? I left her at the water.

So many people think they are so smart

But they follow paper instead of their heart.

You must extinguish the self, the heart is pure

Then the laws of the Way will be perfectly clear.

On every heart the laws have been written

Unfortunately with paper, the people are smitten.

The books are important, don’t get me wrong

But the heart is able to interpret the song.

Back at the river I did what was right

I was guided by a brilliant light.

The whore has seen Our mercy and compassion

Perhaps someday she will change her profession.

If mercy and compassion you should not display

Then perhaps you should throw those papers away

The Way is clear for those with eyes

If you cannot see, then I sympathize.

If you found wisdom in these words

Maybe one day you will talk with the birds.

Until that day comes we must continue on

Spreading mercy, peace, and love to everyone.”

[Nehustan]

...is all I can say to that. Surely I feel like a brother caught between the two sheikhs. May I enquire as to where this poem came from????

As a little story to make you smile...the headmaster at my Public School was ex SOE from WWII....I spent enough time in his office for him to 'Alpha' knowledge of speaking to birds

[john313]

Peace,
it was written by a sufi brother i know. i am on the sufi's side on this one.

**actually i wrote it a couple days ago

[Jahangir]

Just read .. its fantastic, the Sufis are truly people of God. Sadly the wahabbis and extremists call those who perform good deeds like the Sufi had done "kafirs" which is something i completely disagree with.

[TashaN]

It's a joke more than a story ....

I think this is a story to mock other sects like Sunnah.

Originally Posted by john313

To touch a woman like that is haram its clear,

But you did it anyway, are you a kafir?”

The sunni shikh said Kafir to the suffi?

Do you know that even a kid will know that if someone touched a woman so he is not Kafir at all.

there are some cases:

1- If he did it while his intention was sexual one so it's not allowed in Islam and it will only considered as a sin.

2- If he did it to help her anyway whether a doctor or to help her from any sort of danger so that is ok.

Originally Posted by john313

Then perhaps you should throw those papers away

I guess he meany by papers whether the law of Islam, Quran or hadiths... is it?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Jahangir

Just read .. its fantastic, the Sufis are truly people of God. Sadly the wahabbis and extremists call those who perform good deeds like the Sufi had done "kafirs" which is something i completely disagree with.

i'm surprised how people rely in such a story to judge others directly.

BTW, what do you mean by wahabbis? is it a sect or somthing?

[Pardus]

Interpreted and sung often.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by The Truth

i'm surprised how people rely in such a story to judge others directly.

BTW, what do you mean by wahabbis? is it a sect or somthing?

I always took wahabbi to mean orthodox sunni muslims following (the writings of) Ibn Abd Al Wahabb. Whether or not most 'wahabbis' actually read him is moot. I have read some of his work, and it seemed fine to me (not that my opinion matters in the slightest!!!). I think with the establishment of the KSA, and Ibn Abd Al Wahab influence over the new nation, wahabbi thought is often just another word for Saudi 'Islamic' thought. Through the sponsoring of madrasa around the world by KSA, it is considered that this school has spread with the 'Taliban' phenomena attributed to it. I believe that the people often described as 'wahabbi' refer to themself as 'Salafi', wishing to follow the first generations of the religion of Muhammad. I'm sure critics would say, 'What even if they are Ummay???'

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

I always took wahabbi to mean orthodox sunni muslims following (the writings of) Ibn Abd Al Wahabb. Whether or not most 'wahabbis' actually read him is moot. I have read some of his work, and it seemed fine to me (not that my opinion matters in the slightest!!!). I think with the establishment of the KSA, and Ibn Abd Al Wahab influence over the new nation, wahabbi thought is often just another word for Saudi 'Islamic' thought. Through the sponsoring of madrasa around the world by KSA, it is considered that this school has spread with the 'Taliban' phenomena attributed to it. I believe that the people often described as 'wahabbi' refer to themself as 'Salafi', wishing to follow the first generations of the religion of Muhammad. I'm sure critics would say, 'What even if they are Ummay???'

I know what wahabbi do mean but did you see anywhere around the world that a sect have been established without thier knowing?

- The sunnah in saudi arabia never claimed to be wahabbis.
- Mohammed bin abdul wahab never came up with a sect called wahabi or wahabism but he was trying to guide his people in arabia to stop worshiping idols and trees the same as what arabs where doing before Mohammed (PBUH) comes to the world.
- Moreover, Mohammed bin abdul wahab never came up with somthing new and there are proofs as letters .. etc that shows that he was discussing these issues with other scholars around the Muslim world and they did aprove his teaching and books because there was nothing wrong with it and it never conflict with the real teaching of Salafs.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by The Truth

I know what wahabbi do mean but did you see anywhere around the world that a sect have been established without thier knowing?

- The sunnah in saudi arabia never claimed to be wahabbis.
- Mohammed bin abdul wahab never came up with a sect called wahabi or wahabism but he was trying to guide his people in arabia to stop worshiping idols and trees the same as what arabs where doing before Mohammed (PBUH) comes to the world.
- Moreover, Mohammed bin abdul wahab never came up with somthing new and there are proofs as letters .. etc that shows that he was discussing these issues with other scholars around the Muslim world and they did aprove his teaching and books because there was nothing wrong with it and it never conflict with the real teaching of Salafs.

I have read his book on Tawheed, and like I said I could not fault it. I find no fault in people trying to live as the Salafs, I think maybe if I was to try an exposition of what people mean when they say 'wahabbi' is this...

Brothers decide to reject 'modernity', or at least the parts they see in conflict with Islam. They then see a global system, they see at odds with their longing for Dar As Salaam, which leads their fellow muslims away from 'true' Islam. They then become poltically radical NOT religiously radical, i.e. the things that cause fitnah and lead their brothers and sisters way from Al Haqq they rally against in action, word, or just in their heart. Most people do not see a clear truth, and are more interested in the decorations of the dunya which adorn the material modern world, and choose other ideologies rather than Islam. The brothers see this occuring to the cost of Islam and muslims suffering, and become more radical. Thus if 'Wahabbi' has any real meaning, I'd say it is as 'political' movement, rather than as a 'sect', which would be unfair. At least it is not a pseudo secular western political movement (i.e. liberal, socialist, neo-con), but one that has the sunnah as its basis.

You may not agree with the above, but I think that the brothers are engaged in politics for the Ummah, and I will not call it a sect, rather until I have evidence to the contrary (which I don't!!!) I will consider them Ahl Al Sunnah.