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Old 07-28-2006, 11:51 AM
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Is it the baptism itself or what baptism points to that is important?

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It's what baptism represents: The desire to do all God has asked us to.
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Old 07-28-2006, 11:55 AM
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It's what baptism represents: The desire to do all God has asked us to.
So, I don't think anyone is downplaying baptism. Those of us who baptize know this is an outer sign of the inner reality.
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Old 07-28-2006, 11:56 AM
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Do you think God will allow an man who chose evil and wickedness into His house simply because the man was baptized?

You are never saved until you reach paradise and it is not the next step. There are many schoolhouses for you to go through.

Lucifer was an angel, one who should know better, and he will surely not be saved.

Nutshell: Do you think Jesus would not have been 'saved' if He chose not to be baptized?

Do not put your faith into rituals. What do they mean if there is no change in your heart? They mean nothing.
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:11 PM
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Do you think God will allow an man who chose evil and wickedness into His house simply because the man was baptized?

You are never saved until you reach paradise and it is not the next step. There are many schoolhouses for you to go through.

Lucifer was an angel, one who should know better, and he will surely not be saved.

Nutshell: Do you think Jesus would not have been 'saved' if He chose not to be baptized?

Do not put your faith into rituals. What do they mean if there is no change in your heart? They mean nothing.
No salvation was necessary for Jesus because he was/is a perfect being. He was baptised to set an example and to (again) "fulfill all righteousness."
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:02 AM
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No salvation was necessary for Jesus because he was/is a perfect being. He was baptised to set an example and to (again) "fulfill all righteousness."
So, now that all righteousness has been fulfilled in Jesus, what more is there for any of us to do? We can't "fulfill righteousness" if Jesus has already fulfilled it.
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:06 AM
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Do not put your faith into rituals. What do they mean if there is no change in your heart? They mean nothing.
This is the old "the sacrament is ineffectual if performed in an unacceptable manner" argument. The flip side of the coin is that God acts and is manifest in the sacraments. The efficaciousness of the sacrament does not depend upon human intervention.
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:12 PM
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So, now that all righteousness has been fulfilled in Jesus, what more is there for any of us to do? We can't "fulfill righteousness" if Jesus has already fulfilled it.
What more is there for any of us to do? You're kidding right? We are commanded to "be ye perfect." Christ set the perfect example for us and we must strive to do all that he did.
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It always blows me away when Christians downplay the importance of baptism. Did you all forget that Jesus himself was baptised to "fulfill all righteousness?"
...And you got this from?
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