Are communist's welcome? (America, atheist, gnostic, bible, Christians)

[LittlePinky82]

Socialism and communism isn't really a huge leap from each other just communism is more radical and all. I was wondering if Communist's were welcome to post here (I'm a Communist). I know there are people who don't want to associate socialism and communism and their members so I was just wondering. Thanks.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by LittlePinky82

Socialism and communism isn't really a huge leap from each other just communism is more radical and all. I was wondering if Communist's were welcome to post here (I'm a Communist). I know there are people who don't want to associate socialism and communism and their members so I was just wondering. Thanks.

Everybody's welcome here, Pinky. Why don't you explain what has drawn you to communism.

[LittlePinky82]

Thanks! I used to post frequently at the YPSL and they were last I was there talking about not being associated with a communist so I wanted to make sure. Well I just did a lot of reading on the manifesto, Marx and Engels and even Fidel Castro. Communism to me is just more radical version of socialism. There really isn't much difference between the two. Socialism is the transition phase between one form of government and a communist government. Communism is the socialist utopia. So you can't really have one without the other in my opinion. Of course people who are socialist's doesn't mean they're communist. A lot of socialsit's just see communism as more radical and that's one reason why I like being a communist. Nothing else felt right if that makes any sense.

[UltraViolet]

LOL! JUST KIDDING!

Well, this is America after all!

I for one, associate with people I like.
Regardless of political affiliation.
(of which I BTW really have none)

Welcome to RF Little Pinky!

~Violet~

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by LittlePinky82

Thanks! I used to post frequently at the YPSL and they were last I was there talking about not being associated with a communist so I wanted to make sure. Well I just did a lot of reading on the manifesto, Marx and Engels and even Fidel Castro. Communism to me is just more radical version of socialism. There really isn't much difference between the two. Socialism is the transition phase between one form of government and a communist government. Communism is the socialist utopia. So you can't really have one without the other in my opinion. Of course people who are socialist's doesn't mean they're communist. A lot of socialsit's just see communism as more radical and that's one reason why I like being a communist. Nothing else felt right if that makes any sense.

I'm curious about one thing... You're a gnostic Christian and a communist. If you were living under communist rule, you'd have to be pretty darned careful not to admit to being a theist, wouldn't you? I'm sure you know a lot more about communism than I do, but my friends who grew up in the former Soviet Union were scared to death that they'd be caught reading their Bible and sent to Siberia. I'm not making that up. They used to be a part of a group of Christians who took a Bible apart and took turns reading a few chapters at a time and them swapping pages.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I'm curious about one thing... You're a gnostic Christian and a communist. If you were living under communist rule, you'd have to be pretty darned careful not to admit to being a theist, wouldn't you? I'm sure you know a lot more about communism than I do, but my friends who grew up in the former Soviet Union were scared to death that they'd be caught reading their Bible and sent to Siberia. I'm not making that up. They used to be a part of a group of Christians who took a Bible apart and took turns reading a few chapters at a time and them swapping pages.

Communism and atheism have nothing to do with each other. It is true that if a theist lived in Communist Soviet Union, there would be a problem, but it wasn't because it was communist. It was just because that particular government didn't like religion. It would be perfectly normal to have a theistic communist state. That's why I'm glad to have Pinky here, to be a good example of a Christian communist. Communism is a political philosophy that can co-exist with any religious philosophy. It just so happens that the most well-known examples we have of communism in practice have been in atheistic states.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Communism and atheism have nothing to do with each other. Communism is a political philosophy that can co-exist with any religious philosophy. It just so happens that the most well-known examples we have of communism in practice have been in atheistic states.

Thanks for setting me straight. I'm happy to have Pinky here, too -- a whole lot happier than I am to have certain Christian fundies here! I do still wonder, though, can there be true freedom of religion under communism? Or are religious practices, whatever they may be, controlled by the state?

[LittlePinky82]

Originally Posted by UltraViolet

LOL! JUST KIDDING!

Well, this is America after all!

I for one, associate with people I like.
Regardless of political affiliation.
(of which I BTW really have none)

Welcome to RF Little Pinky!

~Violet~

Aw thanks UV!

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Thanks for setting me straight. I'm happy to have Pinky here, too -- a whole lot happier than I am to have certain Christian fundies here!

My pleasure, and agreed.

[LittlePinky82]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I'm curious about one thing... You're a gnostic Christian and a communist. If you were living under communist rule, you'd have to be pretty darned careful not to admit to being a theist, wouldn't you? I'm sure you know a lot more about communism than I do, but my friends who grew up in the former Soviet Union were scared to death that they'd be caught reading their Bible and sent to Siberia. I'm not making that up. They used to be a part of a group of Christians who took a Bible apart and took turns reading a few chapters at a time and them swapping pages.

Nope. Even Fidel Castro is a Catholic. Not long ago he attended the opening of a new Catholic Church in Cuba and a lot more radical communist's I used to know got mad at him for it but I think he was going there as an individual and not the president of Cuba. Even in Cuba there are different religions. Even a Jewish population! The thing with Communism is we believe in a very strong separation of church and state. We've seen what happens in history (and even present day) what happens with the government and religion gets too close for comfort. Stalin was a paranoid jerk so he of course wanted to get rid of all opposition. Many communist's are atheist but not all of us are. We just think religion is very personal and should be kept as such. If you're curious for more check out CPUSA Online - and their faq and media section (there they have interviews about issues). Personally I believe Jesus was a socialist because of his stance on some issues we know he talked about (or that's in the Bible anyways).