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Our modern civil marriage customs arise from the Roman civil law with an overlay
of Anglo-Saxon custom. Roman law was very clear. Unlike the Jews and others, marriage was monogamous. A man could have no more than one wife at a time. Until the rule of Augustus, marriage was a family affair and the state did not interfere. That said there were Roman laws which covered marriage. A woman was not considered an adult in terms of the law. She was under the control of her father until such a time as she married. At that point her custody and control was transferred to her husband and she was under his exclusive control as well as that of the pater familias of the family she has married into. The modern custom of the father escorting the bride down the aisle and handing her off to her husband to be comes from this legal point. Romans had three forms of marriage [in manum]; confarreatio which was a religious ceremony conducted in front of flamen dialis and pontifex maximus and ten witnesses. Only the children of someone married in this fashion was eligible for the ceremony. This was the common form of marriage among the aristocratic set. It transferred all rights of property owned by the woman to her husband and allied the two families. The ceremony required the couple to join hands and affirm their verbal consent to the marriage followed by sharing a specially prepared bread. The consent of her father was also required. A second form of marriage was coemptio which had no religious ceremony. The woman and her dowry were escorted to her husband's home typically with musicians and a feast. There had to be at least 5 witnesses. The witnesses carried the woman across the threshold of the house. The ceremony required that the couple join hands and verbally affirm their consent to the marriage. The consent of the woman's father was also required. The final form of marriage was called usus, which simply required that the woman live for a year with her husband. She could not spend more than three nights away from the house during the first year. This form of marriage conferred the greatest amount of freedom on a woman as she was no longer under the "manum" of her father nor was she under the "manum" of her husband. She continued to own her own property although she had to have an adult male relative represent her interests in the courts. Needless to say this was the most common form of marriage for the masses who could not afford the feast and musicians and general celebratory forms of the above two. A final form of marriage was allowed in Rome but was reserved for the marriage of slaves or freedman with slave. Initially after the fall of Rome, two forms of marriage were allowed in most of Europe. One was permanent [muntehe], conferring property rights while the second [friedtehe] was considered temporary with no transfer of property from one family to the other. The children of either form of marriage were considered legitimate. Charlemagne for example, married off his daughters in the second form to avoid any ambiguities in the control of his empire. Both forms required the assent of the parents of the bride and the verbal assent of the bride and groom given in public. They also required that the parties' cohabitation as well as sexual consummation of the marriage. Failing either, the marriage was not valid. No religious ceremony was required. Our Anglo-Saxon counterparts developed a form of bride purchase which required the man to pay a sum of money for the right to marry the woman. However the form essentially followed the muntehe form of marriage described above. By the 13th century the Roman Catholic Church was strongly arguing against any form of marriage which was not permanent. However, under early canon law a marriage was valid if the parties were of the same social class and not slaves; they must give their consent to the marriage freely and in public; the woman must be given by her father and properly dowered; the ceremony must be in public; and finally, the union must be sexually consummated. Prior to 1215 the Church did not require a religious ceremony requiring a priest. Even after 1215 the Church continued to recognize legal marriages where no priest was present. However by the 16th century [1563] the church insisted on the presence of a priest. Martin Luther declared marriage was a matter for the civil authorities to regulate and the church should not be involved. He did however say that it was appropriate for clergy to bless such unions but the creation of the unions should be a civil matter. The common form of religious celebration of a marriage continued to develop but the current form we use today did not take final form until the Victorian Age. [As late as 1940, it was legal in Scotland for two people to simply declare tho each other that they were married.] Even in Victorian times it was very much a property transfer from the bride's father and a transfer of chattel, namely a wife who had no legal status as an adult. It provided for the legitimation of the offspring and the secure inheritance of property via recognized legitimate offspring. Now in the 21st century we have encountered the next issues in marriage. Same sex couples can have offspring as well as assorted property issues that need to be standardized. It is no longer true that traditional marriage exists to legitimize property transfers and ensure progeny legally recognized as legitimate. Indeed, the entire civil institution is in a state of flux and has been for the past 40 years. Women are legally considered adults and capable of owning property and conducting their own affairs. A parent is no longer legally responsible for a child after the child reaches the age of majority. We no longer require dowries or pride prices. Most states have done away with the concept of illegitimacy requiring a father to recognize and accept legal responsibility for all his progeny and allowing all his progeny a right to inherit. Same sex marriage seems to be the final frontier on this issue. Resistance from traditionalists is strong but slowly abating. But anyone who claims that our present forms of marriage are time honored since the time of Jesus is either ignorant or outright lying. - John Petry
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Thanks, nice information. Just comes to show how bad marriage is now compared to back in the good ol' days.
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Well, if you look at the evolution of marriage as charted in the article, the it would seem to be far more of a civil matter than a religious one. For that matter, Buddhism generally considers marriage outside of its scope as well.
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Among other things, how could your children inherit from you if the state had no role in marriage. It's religion that's superfluous -- not the state.
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I feel that it would probably benefit society in the long run to separate the civil/social contract aspects of marriage (inheritance and all the rest) from the religious aspects. Have the state regulate the civil/social aspects as a purely administrative/legal function, and then anyone can acknowledge their marriage in whatever religious fashion they so choose or don't as they like.
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Isn't that what you do if you have your wedding in a registry office?
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In a sense, yes. But we still have laws on the books which define marriage according to religious parameters, and I feel it would beneift society to remove these restrictions.
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Same sex marriage is the only one I can think of? I think same sex marriage should be legal for many reasons including inheritance rights, custody rights etc. etc. but I have to say I don't think it's religion that's holding it back I think it's more general conservatism.
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So, could you point out the parts of your religious text that deal with, say, hospital visitation rights? For that matter could you point out the parts of your religious text that deal with hospitals? I will wait for chapter and verse, thanks... Until such a time, isn't there a verse somewhere in your religious text about what should be associated with religion and what should be associated with the secular government? Something about Caesar and what is his? |
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While the ability to Cut-n-Paste is no doubt laudable, why would one title a thread the "history of traditional marriage" and serve up a blog on "modern civil marriage"?
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