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Old 06-28-2009, 11:11 PM
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'Gayby boom': Children of gay couples speak out - CNN.com

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Old 06-28-2009, 11:23 PM
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Wow, actually asking the children of same sex parents how they feel about it; now there's a thought.
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:31 PM
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To say that two same sex people raising a child would be damaging to the child borders on foolishness....
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:36 PM
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To say that two same sex people raising a child would be damaging to the child borders on foolishness....

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on foolishness? I'd say it penetrates deeply into the heart of foolishness , gets turned around somehow, loses the map home and has to build a shelter out of sticks and mud to last out the winter.
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:58 PM
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I mean...if for no other reason, the fact that we can't know what causes damaged children (due to all the many different environments damaged children come from) should make anyone hesitant to call a child damaged.

I think the problem is our definition of damaged children. Why should we refer to people as damaged anyways? I hate our society's need to label everything a certain definite way. It's so inaccurate.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:11 AM
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I mean...if for no other reason, the fact that we can't know what causes damaged children (due to all the many different environments damaged children come from) should make anyone hesitant to call a child damaged.

I think the problem is our definition of damaged children. Why should we refer to people as damaged anyways? I hate our society's need to label everything a certain definite way. It's so inaccurate.
We actually do know what causes damaged children, for the most part: Mental and / or physical abuse.

It's quite simple, really. I'm with you on the labeling though. It's out of control.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:18 AM
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We actually do know what causes damaged children, for the most part: Mental and / or physical abuse.

It's quite simple, really. I'm with you on the labeling though. It's out of control.
No we don't because we're not sure what kinds of abuse cause that damage and we don't even agree on what counts as damage.

I think it'd be best to simply say "This child has grown up under X circumstances" why refer to the kid as damage (and thus lower their self-esteem even more).
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:49 AM
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The biggest eye-opener in the article, for me, was how I was impressed with Dale O'Leary's honesty, admitting that she was talking about things about which she had no real foundation for understanding. I think the first step on the road to enlightenment, for reactionaries like Ms. O'Leary, is acknowledging that their perspectives are inadequately supported.

I know a little bit about what these children of same-sex couples are going through: I grew up a child of a divorcee, back when divorce, even being a child of divorce, still carried with it a very significant stigma within the community we lived. With all due deference to my parents (who did what was best under the circumstances), I think that divorce is a negative force, while there is nothing specifically negative about same-sex marriage, so it seems remarkable to me that divorce is now so readily accepted while same-sex marriage is not. While I feel strongly that the children bear no accountability (whatsoever) in either case, I can only hope that the achievement of our society, with regard to full dissolution of the stigma it previously placed on children of divorce, indicates that we will so also dissolve all vestiges of stigma currently placed on children of same-sex marriages.

I'm afraid Jesse Levey is in for a rude awakening. The Republican Party that "embraces the conservative notion of individual freedom" is no more, the last vestiges of it eradicated during the 1980s. I know. I was a Republican at the time. What the GOP embraces instead is a conservative notion of individual property ownership (something which I still support, strongly, incidentally, though no where near as much as the more important issues of individual freedom).
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Awesome article! Kudos.
I can also relate as a child of divorced parents, growing up in a time/place where divorce and single motherhood was "frowned upon".
It's good to hear these kids talking and setting the record strait.

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